FIA to ban radio instructions to drivers

[Dare]

Start using pit signs.Let it be driver vs driver


http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/f1-fia-to-ban-radio-instructions-to-drivers-in-formula-1?artid=170981&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=racing

[Jericoke]

They are going to have to go to pit boards only, or else someone is going to have to decipher all the codes the teams use  (any progress on finding out what a Hoagie is?)

Although, it would deprive us of one of the most iconic moments of recent F1 history:  Kimi's petulant "Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing"

In baseball, the manager is allowed to enter the field once per inning.  After that, the only way a manager can enter the field is to replace the pitcher.  Perhaps F1 can come up with  a fair rule limiting radio contact.  Only x minutes of radio per race, or a radio call must be followed by a pit stop.

[Scott]

Knee jerk, as usual with the FIA.  I like the driving coaching.

They'll just have to code the messages:

"Say Sergio, I think maybe after the race we'll go for a beer at the pub on the LEFT side of SECOND STREET, but maybe we'll take off EARLY afterwards"

[John S]

Seems like my imminent warning about radio ban 4 hours earlier than your topic is coming into effect sooner than I was expecting, Dare. 

http://www.gpwizard.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18623.0.html

Especially this season there's far too much guidance & information given out, the drivers should do it themselves during races.
Practice is the time to be giving any help or guidance, after all that's what it's called. 

 

[cosworth151]

The FIA continues their search for perfection. They won't rest until they are 100% wrong 100% of the time. Maybe we can also go back to gear sticks, drum brakes, front engines and carburetors, too. 

[Jericoke]

The FIA continues their search for perfection. They won't rest until they are 100% wrong 100% of the time. Maybe we can also go back to gear sticks, drum brakes, front engines and carburetors, too.

Ride on mechanics!  Ride on mechanics!!!

[Dare]

Seems like my imminent warning about radio ban 4 hours earlier than your topic is coming into effect sooner than I was expecting, Dare. 

http://www.gpwizard.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18623.0.html

Especially this season there's far too much guidance & information given out, the drivers should do it themselves during races.
Practice is the time to be giving any help or guidance, after all that's what it's called. 

It'sallin the wording of the topic.Yours sounds to highbrow

[Scott]

No kidding, I thought he was talking about driving school fees or something.  Bring it down to our level John 

[Irisado]

How are they going to even remotely be able to police this?  This is right up there with double points for stupidity.....  Why was this even deemed to be necessary?

[cosworth151]

Why was this even deemed to be necessary?

Maybe a bit too much of the bubbly one night at the Place de la Concorde: "Hey, guys, ya know what would be cool?" (Said with a drunken slur)

[John S]

I'm in favour of banning the overt driving instructions that we have been hearing this season, but I like the general sort of comments: "it's hammer time", "Seb is just a few secs ahead, let's go get him"  - etc. etc. I'm just hoping we don't lose the more jocular element to the radio it makes the races a bit more fun.

As I've said I'm against giving drivers instructions for things they should manage themselves mostly because it's driver ability that should win trophies not the pit wall gurus. 

I also object strongly to a lot of the radio instruction because I can't understand what the hell they are on about half the time, and I suspect most of the old timer ex-driver line ups in the commentary boxes don't either.   

Now if we must return to having radio information relayed from the pit wall can the teams make sure they give the broadcasters, & other media, crib sheets so they can translate for us the poor ignorant fans.   

[Scott]

I disagree John.  It's too fine a line for Charlie or a steward to decide what is and isn't a driving instruction, and as I've said, the teams will simply create a code so that your jocular elements will simply become coded instructions.

I like to call it 'coaching', and it goes on in every sport, during the game, so what is really the big problem with it in F1?  The drivers are hired because they have the ability to put the car on a certain trajectory at very high speed, and do it with precision lap in and lap out, while also having the reflexes to deal with whatever the track throws back at them.  Teams hire the engineers to figure out which trajectories are best. 

[Jericoke]

I disagree John.  It's too fine a line for Charlie or a steward to decide what is and isn't a driving instruction, and as I've said, the teams will simply create a code so that your jocular elements will simply become coded instructions.

I like to call it 'coaching', and it goes on in every sport, during the game, so what is really the big problem with it in F1?  The drivers are hired because they have the ability to put the car on a certain trajectory at very high speed, and do it with precision lap in and lap out, while also having the reflexes to deal with whatever the track throws back at them.  Teams hire the engineers to figure out which trajectories are best.

I'm on the fence with this decision.  On one hand, an F1 car is a complicated machine, and someone holding on for dear life can't be expected to understand every nuance.

On the other hand, with the drivers holding on for dear life, and not able to to understand every nuance, it adds an element of chance and skill to the sport that will create a difference.  22 drivers with perfect mastery of their equipment and minute by minute instructions of how to use it is dull.

Most sports allow coaching, however, very few sports allow direct contact between a coach and an athlete during competition.  Some sports, such as tennis and baseball, put severe limits on coaching so it's not unheard of to cut down the amount of help an athlete receives from the sidelines.

The biggest danger is policing.  Is the FIA going to hire 22 people to listen to each driver?  Then we've got 22 opinions of what's 'fair'.  Or are we going to have one guy trying to make sense of 22 feeds?

[John S]

Yes it appear the FIA will be monitoring all radio traffic. 

There's also a table of allowable/banned information on this web page:-

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/09/16/fia-monitor-thousands-radio-messages-real-time/

[Scott]

Fine in the old days where all the driver had to worry about was the oil pressure and rpm's.  Todays car require a great deal of finessing with the myriad of steering wheel settings.  So the FIA expects a driver take an engineering course and learn all the causes and effects of all these settings, do the math in his head during the race and then apply it to the dials and buttons? 

I'd rather the driver just drive and let the pit wall tell him what dials to move etc...in fact just bring back 2 way telemetry and let the teams do it from there.