Max penalised

[Dare]

It looked to me that Grosjean braked a lot to early too.


http://www.planetf1.com/driver/55667788/51267/Max-penalised-but-blames-Grosjean

[J.Clark]

I too thought Roman hit the brakes early.

Closing speed for Max was incredible though so I am not sure what he would have done once along-side of the Lotus.  I don't think he could have made the turn.  Perhaps that is what the stewards are basing their decision on.

[Steve A.]

It did look like Grosjean braked harder going by the closing speed, but I dare say the stewards will have access to all necessary data, having said that I'm not convinced their decisions are consistent.

[J.Clark]

I couldn't agree more with that statement on their consistency.

I don't recall hearing them say who the driver steward was to be.  Who was it for Monaco?

[Dare]

I couldn't agree more with that statement on their consistency.

I don't recall hearing them say who the driver steward was to be.  Who was it for Monaco?

 Tom Kristensen.Kimi wasn't happy with the
ruling either

[cosworth151]

I didn't see Max V do anything other than race. He and Grosjean were racing for the last points paying position. If anything, Grosjean brake tested him. As we say over here,"It was just one of them racin' deals."

[J.Clark]

With all due respect to Tom Kristensen, he is (I think) a Le Mans champion and I find it interesting that the guest steward would not be a Formula 1 driver, or at least someone who has raced in open-wheel cars.  I know it probably isn't always the case, and I don't pay very close attention to who the guest steward is at each race, but things one can do "safely" in cars with fenders is very different than in cars without fenders.

I have to wonder . . .

[Alianora La Canta]

Romain's car sounded slightly off to me - I thought he had a technical issue and that may have caused the surprisingly early braking that lap compared to earlier ones. It caught Verstappen totally off-guard and caused him to try a pass that was never on.

Neither drove that part of the race perfectly but I don't think either driver was the true cause. And I'm not sure taking a tin-opener to the barrier quite deserves a 5-place penalty!

[Alianora La Canta]

With all due respect to Tom Kristensen, he is (I think) a Le Mans champion and I find it interesting that the guest steward would not be a Formula 1 driver, or at least someone who has raced in open-wheel cars.  I know it probably isn't always the case, and I don't pay very close attention to who the guest steward is at each race, but things one can do "safely" in cars with fenders is very different than in cars without fenders.

I have to wonder . . .

An LMP1 doing that (in terms of speed and angle, anyway) would have been at an odd angle and perched on the barrier, as Tom discovered at Le Mans 2011.

The problem for me was more that Max tried a pass that wasn't on, but even then, it didn't seem like a bad move until the sparks flew into the air...

[Andy B]

Three ex-F1 drivers on Sky thought it was Max and who knows what car issues Grosjean was having at that time and he was breaking to take the bend and I'm not so sure Max was.

[Monty]

The accident was completely Verstappen's fault. His closing speed was far too high and he would never have made the corner. The data was checked and Grosjean had not braked particularly early or hard considering the condition of his tyres.
However, I do think the penalty was too harsh for the crime. Verstappen could not finish the race. Surely this was punishment enough?

[J.Clark]

Having watched replays, it is true that he would not have made the corner. 

He did claim to not be attempting a pass though.  He couldn't get position for that, but he did appear to be attempting to get into position.

I think the problem is more that he is, after all, 17 years old and very light in the experience category, not to mention zero experience with Monaco.

[Jericoke]

Having watched replays, it is true that he would not have made the corner. 

He did claim to not be attempting a pass though.  He couldn't get position for that, but he did appear to be attempting to get into position.

I think the problem is more that he is, after all, 17 years old and very light in the experience category, not to mention zero experience with Monaco.

Maybe a simple qualification for a super liscence is to have running time at F1 tracks in a lower formula?

Except for brand new circuits, you're not allowed to race an F1 car at a track you haven't raced at before.  So Max would be elligible to race at other circuits, but not Monaco

[Scott]

I don't think he should have gotten a penalty.  As it has been said, having the front corner of your car torn off is penalty enough. 

If Grosjean did anything, he did it right.  Racing 101 says if you have someone right on your tail who will likely try to pass on the next straight, slow a bit more than usual for the apex so the other driver cannot anticipate the same apex and get a jump on the next straight.

It was a racing move by Grosjean and a racing mistake by Max for expecting Grosjean to be predictable.

Jes racin'

[Scott]

Lotus is claiming there is data showing that Grosjean actually braked 5m later than the previous lap.  And apparently that is why Grosjean doesn't have a penalty next race.

http://www.pitpass.com/53969/Permane-dismisses-brake-test-claims

I still don't get why Ricciardo got away with his punt of Kimi.  All he could manage to do was tuck his front wheel under Kimi's rear.  How many hundred penalties have we seen given for exactly that?