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Author Topic: Billy Monger  (Read 1302 times)

Offline Andy B

Billy Monger
« on: April 20, 2017, 10:14:43 AM »
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  • I'm sure you are all aware of the Billy Monger F4 crash in the UK which was quite horrific and as a result the 17 year old has had both legs amputated and put into a medical coma.
    I hope you will join me in wishing Billy a speedy recovery and hopefully he'll take inspiration from Alex Zanardi.
    There is Crowdfunding for Billy which has exceeded its target and if you wish to contribute the link is below.
    https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/billymonger23


    Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

    Offline Dare

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #1 on: April 20, 2017, 01:13:42 PM »
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  • I saw a vid of the crash and why wasn't a yellow flag out or any
    type of warning.He had no where to go.Hope for the best recovery possible
    "The
    democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
    who are
    willing to work and give to those who would not."
    --
    Thomas
    Jefferson

    Offline Robem64

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 01:54:42 PM »
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  • I saw a vid of the crash and why wasn't a yellow flag out or any
    type of warning.He had no where to go.Hope for the best recovery possible

    Totally agree - horrific accident and amazing he's survived it.
    "I'm not a pessimist, I'm an optimist with experience"

    Offline Scott

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #3 on: April 20, 2017, 08:54:48 PM »
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  • Just horrible...saw it the other day.  Poor kid.
    The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

    Offline Andy B

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 10:17:03 PM »
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  • I quite agree Dare but also why did the other kid stop on the track?
    Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

    Offline Dare

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2017, 11:28:35 PM »
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  • I don't know Andy all I could find was a car was apparently
    stopped on the track.How the driver in the parked car wasn't
    hurt is beyond me.
    "The
    democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
    who are
    willing to work and give to those who would not."
    --
    Thomas
    Jefferson

    Offline Andy B

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #6 on: April 21, 2017, 04:13:01 AM »
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  • I don't know Andy all I could find was a car was apparently
    stopped on the track.How the driver in the parked car wasn't
    hurt is beyond me.

    A very lucky boy he even went home that evening after checks.
    Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

    Offline Robem64

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #7 on: April 21, 2017, 07:42:12 AM »
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  • I quite agree Dare but also why did the other kid stop on the track?

    Apparently the other car had just had either a spin out or an excursion onto the grass immediately before hence him being either stationary or moving very slowly on track.
    "I'm not a pessimist, I'm an optimist with experience"

    Offline Alianora La Canta

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 01:17:31 PM »
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  • I quite agree Dare but also why did the other kid stop on the track?

    Apparently the other car had just had either a spin out or an excursion onto the grass immediately before hence him being either stationary or moving very slowly on track.

    This is also why the marshals don't have yellow flags for it yet - it all happened very quickly.
    Percussus resurgio
    @lacanta (Twitter)
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    Offline Andy B

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #9 on: April 21, 2017, 10:39:58 PM »
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  • I see the fund has now reached £696k so that I hope will help him and others injured in motorsport.
    Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

    Offline Dare

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 12:51:28 AM »
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  • Are race drivers required to carry a insurance policy
    in the event of a tragedy like this occurring?He's in
    for a long and expensive rehabilitation
    "The
    democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
    who are
    willing to work and give to those who would not."
    --
    Thomas
    Jefferson

    Offline Andy B

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 10:39:11 AM »
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  • Are race drivers required to carry a insurance policy
    in the event of a tragedy like this occurring?He's in
    for a long and expensive rehabilitation

    It seems insurance is there but at a cost and most drivers forgo it.
    Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

    Offline cosworth151

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 03:25:09 PM »
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  • It's always been horribly high priced & pretty much worthless, like most things from the insurance racket.
    “You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
    ― Bob Dylan

    Offline Alianora La Canta

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #13 on: April 23, 2017, 05:34:36 PM »
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  • Are race drivers required to carry a insurance policy
    in the event of a tragedy like this occurring?He's in
    for a long and expensive rehabilitation

    Insurance, yes. You can't race in any FIA-organised series in Europe without at least some third-party insurance, and in F4's case, it's in Article 10 of the FIA Sporting Regulations for that category. The trouble is that not all insurance is equal, and F1-level independent insurance (which is compulsory in that series and covers to at least £10 million of expenses, even for non-third-party problems) is way outside the budgets of most F4 drivers, except those born into vast fortunes.

    British F4's insurance situation is regulated by MSA. It has the same insurance policy rules for all car racing at national level. You can have independent insurance if you wish, but this is not compulsory. The two groups of people who are recommended to have it are non-British drivers (due to limits on amounts of treatment the NHS will cover for foreigners, that vary according to current state of agreements) and any driver who is expecting to compete abroad (the MSA deal only covers some such situations, not all - for example, anything requiring an International licence is generally excluded unless it happens in the UK or a nation with a full reciprocal agreement such as the Republic of Ireland).

    It does, however, require payment into, and where appropriate use of, its in-house third-party insurance (as well as contribution towards comprehensive insurance for marshalls, that is considerably better than the comprehensive element for drivers) as part of licence fees. For drivers and marshalls alike, it covers up to £67 million (you read that correctly) of costs in third-party accidents. So if Billy's amputations had been a result of, say, a badly-maintained track sending him flying or a recovery vehicle in the way, Billy and his family probably wouldn't have had to worry about his medical costs for the rest of his life. He could have billed the MSA's insurance for all his needs and they could focus on everything except money.

    However, third-party insurance is no help here, as drivers cannot be third parties in relation to one another (that's Article 10.4 of Formula 4's regulations, and the FIA does this for all racing series to prevent motorsport disappearing in a cloud of inter-driver lawsuits). So at that point, the compulsory comprehensive level kicks in... ...but if using the automatic insurance provided by the MSA, all a double amputation gets you is £10,000 (£5,000 per leg), plus £100 a day for the hospital stay. Note that Billy is in a NHS hospital right now and will only be charged for things like the entertainment unit and phone calls, so the £100-a-day bit won't be fully paid out unless and until he transfers to a private hospital for rehabilitation therapy.

    Apparently, the family priced up the cost of prostheses to allow Billy to return to competition and discovered the typical cost to be £260,000 (not including any rehabilitation therapy needed to be able to use the prostheses over and above that which the NHS will provide). Note that although the NHS will provide free prosthetics, these are selected on price rather than functionality and are geared towards minimum living standards (to the point where many opt for a wheelchair in preference). NHS prostheses will be no use for returning to racing competition, which Billy has already indicated is his aim (and which his family guessed even before he awoke from surgery enough to communicate).

    I have no comment as to whether private specialist medical insurance would have been a good idea, but can see why the Mongers - and, at a guess, most other racing families at this level - might think "we're already paying for one lot of insurance, why buy a second?"

    (Sorry for the large number of edits. I kept spotting stuff I wasn't happy with straight after pressing "Save Settings"...)
    « Last Edit: April 23, 2017, 05:52:02 PM by Alianora La Canta »
    Percussus resurgio
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    http://alianoralacanta.tumblr.com (Blog/Tumblr)

    Offline Dare

    Re: Billy Monger
    « Reply #14 on: April 23, 2017, 06:09:51 PM »
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  • Thanks Ali.Seems like the high cost of insurance is only appreciated
    if you need it.Many insurance policies here have a yearly $6000 plus
    deductible.If you were unlucky enough to have one occasion to use
    irt on 12-31 and another on 1-1 you'd be out over $12,000 which is out
    of the budget for many Americans.
    "The
    democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
    who are
    willing to work and give to those who would not."
    --
    Thomas
    Jefferson