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Author Topic: JV Speaks  (Read 6855 times)

Offline Dare

JV Speaks
« on: June 27, 2017, 01:28:17 PM »


Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

Offline cosworth151

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2017, 02:30:22 PM »
Quote
Telemetry data used for the FIA's investigation ruled out Hamilton having brake-tested Vettel.

The issue was Seb hitting Lewis. Not the original hit from behind, but the bump from the side. I will agree with JV that Vettel didn't do it deliberately. He did it when he was so busy throwing a tantrum that he forgot to drive the car.

I understand about drivers & "the red mist." Been there, done that. That said, retaliation bumps on a 1/2 mile dirt oval is one thing. Doing it in an F1 car is a completely different matter.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2017, 03:10:13 PM »
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Telemetry data used for the FIA's investigation ruled out Hamilton having brake-tested Vettel.

The issue was Seb hitting Lewis. Not the original hit from behind, but the bump from the side. I will agree with JV that Vettel didn't do it deliberately. He did it when he was so busy throwing a tantrum that he forgot to drive the car.

I understand about drivers & "the red mist." Been there, done that. That said, retaliation bumps on a 1/2 mile dirt oval is one thing. Doing it in an F1 car is a completely different matter.

How often do we see IndyCar restarts 'waved off' if the cars aren't lined up properly? 

Hamilton has a long history of bending the rules on a restart, so Vettel really should have known better even if Lewis DID brake test him, he should have expected it.

I do think that Vettel's penalty seemed fair.  He did get points on his licence, so another similar incident will see him suspended from racing.

In the greater scheme, Villeneuve is right that it's nice to see some passion from the drivers, but we don't want to see the sport become violent/dangerous.  I think the radio tirades do a great job of injecting drama into the sport.

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2017, 08:28:36 PM »
Well said.
Lonny

Offline Dare

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2017, 10:33:51 PM »
I agree Lonny it is well said especially the part
"Hamilton has a long history of bending the rules on a restart"
Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2017, 02:28:01 AM »
Lewis bends a lot of rules and almost always gets away with it.  >:D
Lonny

Offline Andy B

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2017, 06:03:59 AM »
Oh dear!
Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

Offline Ian

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2017, 07:44:35 AM »
What is Hamilton's 'Long history of bending the rules on a restart' ?
An aircraft landing is just a controlled crash.

Offline Jericoke

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2017, 03:15:25 PM »
What is Hamilton's 'Long history of bending the rules on a restart' ?

Alas, I've outgrown my ability to retain information encylopediacly.

But he's made an art form of backing up the grid more so than other drivers.  He accelerates and slows in an attempt to drop the following car outside of the range they're supposed to keep apart.  He has brake tested in the past.  He's gotten too close to the pace car, he's gotten too far from the pace car.

Most drivers just drive slowly behind the safety car and try to keep their tires clean and warm.  Hamilton spends the whole time messing with the cars behind him, and if he's not leading, the car ahead of him. 

There's nothing wrong with that.  'Bending the rules' is a time honoured tradition in F1:  anything that wins the race is good if you're not disqualified.

Offline Willy

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2017, 12:20:08 AM »
What Jeri just said.

JV has a point....and he should know.

Offline Dare

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2017, 04:48:50 AM »
What Willy just said he and Jacques are both from
Canada so he should know.
Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

Offline Ian

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2017, 06:18:50 AM »
I wouldn't call 'backing up the grid' bending the rules, plenty of drivers have done that. If a driver was to suddenly brake needlessly sending the car behind into the barriers, yes, definitely wrong. Just to add, I'm not mindlessly supporting Hamilton.
An aircraft landing is just a controlled crash.

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2017, 07:51:15 AM »
Ah, mindfully supporting Hamilton?   ;)
Lonny

Offline Monty

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2017, 09:51:32 AM »
How has this become an attack on Hamilton? Vettel drove into the back of him and then drove into the side of him and yet we are discussing Hamilton's restarts????

There have not been many restarts in all of Hamilton's F1 career so how anyone can generalise about how he handles them is beyond me. I only have one comment about how he handles a restart - I do not think he has ever been penalised and he was completely exonerated at Baku.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 12:30:28 PM by monty »

Offline Scott

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2017, 10:37:19 AM »
Well it brings up discussion, doesn't it.  I think he is quite provocative when he is leading the field at the end of a SC session.  In this case I don't think he should be penalized, but I think he pays too much attention to his mirrors (or maybe not enough?) when the SC pulls away.  His right, his choice, but stuff happens. 

Again, Vettel was an idiot for responding.
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