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Author Topic: JV Speaks  (Read 6860 times)

Offline Andy B

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2017, 10:30:39 AM »
I think you'll also find Phil and I are Cannucks.

Is that a breed of duck?  ;)
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Offline Scott

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2017, 11:28:03 AM »
I think you'll also find Phil and I are Cannucks.

Is that a breed of duck?  ;)

Nope, a loon
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Offline cosworth151

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2017, 11:35:49 AM »
I think you'll also find Phil and I are Cannucks.

You guys play hockey for Vancouver?   ;)
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Offline Irisado

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2017, 11:21:16 AM »
So on that theory road rage which is what it was is excusable as its not premeditated?

No.  Formula 1 isn't comparable to road driving and there is a different points system in use for sanctioning drivers.  The fact that he was penalised means that what he did was not excused.  The debate is about whether the penalty was sufficient.

On a point of order here, did Vettel decide to move alongside Hamilton, after the initial shunt, gesticulate and then allow his car to steer towards Lewis or not?

Now unless you're suggesting an unconscious sort of sleepwalking was occurring premeditation must have taken place.

I fully understand that the first impact had no premeditation. However the heavy stop go nature of the penalty - and calling it dangerous driving - are not the usual 5 or 10secs added time for a simple 'causing a collision' charge.  :nono:

IMHO more attention was paid to the second part of the encounter by the stewards precisely because it was something Vettel consciously chose to do in response to a perceived - wrongly it's been proven - action from Lewis.

Now because F1 drivers are more capable of lightning fast decision making than most of us, the great unwashed, his choice can only be considered a plan, hence premeditation.

To put it another way if it's not premeditation it's something far worse - a driver so unable to control his anger he lashes out without thinking.   

Premeditation would have involved Vettel deciding that he was going to take Hamilton out of the race from the start.  Think about Senna versus Prost in 1990, when Senna admitted a year later that he had planned to take Prost out of the race deliberately.  That was premeditation.  That's not what happened in the case of Vettel and Hamilton.

I think that your last paragraph sums up what it was.  Whether that's worse I'm not sure, however, it does demonstrate what I've felt for some time, that is to say that Vettel has a serious anger management problem.  He cannot handle not winning and he loses control if everything does not go his way in every race.
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Offline Willy

Re: JV Speaks
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2017, 08:16:13 PM »
Hey Cos....are you saying that Vancouver has a hockey team? Wow, is that what they are doing.

 


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