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Author Topic: Dr Who  (Read 720 times)

Offline ChrisCurtis

Dr Who
« on: July 17, 2017, 02:19:19 PM »
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  • How do you guys feel about the 13th Doctor regenerating as a woman?

    Now don't get me wrong, I am all for equality, but some things by definition are what they are. Santa is a man. James Bond is a man. Sherlock Holmes is a man. The Doctor is a man.

    I get that there will be a whole new generation of little girls running around with sonic screwdrivers and they'll no doubt gain a lot more viewers than they lose.

    I just wish they'd left the male to female regeneration to The Master and Missy.



    Offline cosworth151

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 02:25:04 PM »
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  • I don't see anything inherently wrong with it. Like every new Doctor, I'll take a wait-&-see attitude.

    There was a lot of talk that Kris Marshall would be the new Doctor. I think he would have been a good one.
    “You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
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    Offline Andy B

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2017, 10:42:29 PM »
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  • I quite agree about Kris Marshal he would have been good as for The Doctor being a woman I expect they'll get away with it but whether it'll work in the same way I'm not so sure "time" will tell.
    What cannot be done is have a female James Bond now that would not work in any way or form and the same goes for Sherlock!
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    Offline Dare

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 04:21:00 AM »
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  • Dr Who should be a man just as Bond should be British.
    I know Lanzby wasn't but we Americans are too dumb to know
    the difference. That said he was my second favorite Bond
    "The
    democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
    who are
    willing to work and give to those who would not."
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    Jefferson

    Offline Andy B

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #4 on: July 18, 2017, 05:06:25 AM »
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  • Dr Who should be a man just as Bond should be British.
    I know Lanzby wasn't but we Americans are too dumb to know
    the difference. That said he was my second favorite Bond

    I have to agree Dare but the BBC will get away with Dr Who, I thought Lazenby acted British?
    They cannot change Bond as he's Commander James Bond, CMG, RNVR a fictional character created by British journalist and novelist Ian Fleming in 1953 so you cannot suddenly have a woman plus he's a womaniser whereas a woman acting the same would come across as a tart!
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    Offline cosworth151

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #5 on: July 18, 2017, 12:45:50 PM »
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  • Pierce Brosnan is Irish.  ;)

    Don't forget that the original film 007 was an American. Barry Nelson played American agent Jimmy Bond (really) in 1954. The CBS TV series Climax did a production of Casino Royale.
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    Offline Ian

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #6 on: July 18, 2017, 01:17:40 PM »
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  • Don't even know who the last Dr Who was, I remember clearly the first one, William Hartnell, my metalwork master in secondary school was the spitting image of him, we used to wind him up by calling out, Dr, help, the dalek's are here. He never saw the funny side of it.
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    Offline ChrisCurtis

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #7 on: July 18, 2017, 03:27:50 PM »
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  • For me it all started with Tom Baker. Anything before that I've seen as an adult looking back. Now I'm nearly halfway through my 40's and the Cybermen still send a chill down my spine when I see them at TV and film conventions.


    Offline Jericoke

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #8 on: July 18, 2017, 08:27:29 PM »
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  • How do you guys feel about the 13th Doctor regenerating as a woman?

    Now don't get me wrong, I am all for equality, but some things by definition are what they are. Santa is a man. James Bond is a man. Sherlock Holmes is a man. The Doctor is a man.

    I get that there will be a whole new generation of little girls running around with sonic screwdrivers and they'll no doubt gain a lot more viewers than they lose.

    I just wish they'd left the male to female regeneration to The Master and Missy.

    I don't see any problem with casting men/women as any particular fictional character.  Certainly playing 'traditional' characters from folklore/religion is a little trickier, especially if they're based on real people.

    If we do ever get 'Jane' Bond, it doesn't erase the work of Connery, Craig or Nelson.  You don't have to like a movie/tv show/etc. that uses 'stunt casting', but really should give it a shot and see if it works on its own merits.

    It might be easy to suggest that 'Jane' Bond shouldn't be Bond at all, but rather an entirely new character.  Artistically I would agree.  However, given that sequels and 'reboots' are where the money is made, it's a far safer bet to cast 'Jane Bond' than create something wholly new.

    All that aside, I haven't watched Dr Who since the early 80s.  Couldn't get past the poor production values, and being a little kid I didn't appreciate any of the wit that might have been on display.  Unless they cast The Rock as Dr. Who, I'm probably not going to watch.

    Offline Dare

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #9 on: July 18, 2017, 10:03:41 PM »
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  • I'll go along with Jane Blonde but never Jane Bond. James
    Bond is a man for all the reasons Andy mentioned. Case closed  :tease:
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    democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
    who are
    willing to work and give to those who would not."
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    Thomas
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    Offline Alianora La Canta

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #10 on: July 18, 2017, 11:03:59 PM »
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  • I think I have a different perspective from many in the forum, because my Doctor Who-watching career started in 2005 and Christopher Eccleston (no relation to Bernie). While I've seen a few Classic Who episodes since, I've basically reconciled those to "New Who" (the 21st century reboot), whereas most people here were born and raised on Classic Who and have grafted "New Who" onto that base.

    For me, the clues that Doctor Who would become a woman at some point have been obvious since 2005 (the first season of "New Who"), albeit the background status of the clues meant it was never possible to tell when it would become an important plot line. However, when The Master became Missy two seasons ago, it became implausible to me that the Doctor would be too far behind. At no point in New Who had either character done anything that suggested they had to stay permanently one gender, and for the Doctor to allow the Master to "have the upper hand" in powers wouldn't have made sense from a character perspective. The Master isn't the only Time Lord who's changed gender in a regeneration. (Strangest regeneration in canon is not, however, in the TV series. That prize goes to a Big Finish audio adventure where a regeneration gone wrong leads to a Time Lord turning into a sentient and rather bossy bird!)

    I have no idea what Jodie is like as an actress (unlike Peter Capaldi, her predecesor, who I knew to be an excellent actor: his first season bore distinct resemblance to Fernando Alonso stuck in a McLaren-Honda, but last year's and this year's season were much better). However, I didn't know if Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant or Matt Smith would be up to the job either, and in their own ways they all managed it.

    There are many ways to be The Doctor. My hope is that Jodie finds a novel one that works.
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    Offline lkjohnson1950

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #11 on: July 18, 2017, 11:53:46 PM »
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  • If Bond had been portrayed more closely to the original Fleming concept, I would agree he should remain male. But the movies are more like live action video games. In that context, I don't think his gender makes a bit of difference.
    Lonny

    Offline Dare

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #12 on: July 19, 2017, 02:47:32 AM »
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  • If Jane Bond bedded as many people as James she  might
    as well be a escort instead of 007
    "The
    democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
    who are
    willing to work and give to those who would not."
    --
    Thomas
    Jefferson

    Offline lkjohnson1950

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #13 on: July 19, 2017, 04:15:45 AM »
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  • That is an entirely sexist double standard.   :P
    Lonny

    Offline Andy B

    Re: Dr Who
    « Reply #14 on: July 19, 2017, 06:21:40 AM »
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  • If Bond had been portrayed more closely to the original Fleming concept, I would agree he should remain male. But the movies are more like live action video games. In that context, I don't think his gender makes a bit of difference.

    I could not disagree with you more!
    Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!