The end for Kvyat?

[Robem64]

So what to make of the promotion of Gasly in place of Kvyat for the Malaysian race? Is it the beginning of the end for Kvyat? Obviously I realise Sainz is off to pastures new so you could surmise that Gasly and Kvyat will be at Toro Rosso next season. However, given the poor performance generally and amount of unforced errors Kvyat's made then surely they are considering other options.
Purely as a Brit I'd like to see Palmer given a chance somewhere - he's generally had shocking reliability in the Renault this year and that hasn't helped his cause.

[Andy B]

All very true the writing is on the wall for Kvyat but if Gasly takes his seat who is inline for Sainz seat?
I too would like to see Palmer given a decent chance which he has not had but there must be others out there?

[Alianora La Canta]

The beginning of the end was last May. The trouble is that Toro Rosso doesn't have a better candidate, even if Honda wants it to think that Nobuhara Matsushita counts (hint: he doesn't have a Superlicence because he only has 13 of the required 40 points, and he would need to finish 4th or higher in F2 next year to become eligible). The next Red Bull driver to not be optioned by another team is, I believe, in F3 (not even GP3), and only reached it this year, so is ineligible on both points and experience (but could be eligible at the end of 2018 with sufficiently good driving).

So all Toro Rosso does here is demoralise a driver known to be vulnerable to demoralisation already, to test someone they know they have to take for 2018 anyway, and still they must face the consequences because Kyvat is bound to be on Toro Rosso for 2018. They don't seem to have thought this one through - but Franz Tost has a habit of not thinking things through when it comes to driver management (think of how he nearly lost Max Verstappen for Red Bull last year, which is what started this whole mess).

[Jericoke]

I think the talent gap in 'second tier' drivers is so small that if you're not an F1 race winner, there are  probably dozens of drivers who are just as good as you are and ready to replace you at the drop of a hat. 

I feel bad for drivers who are talented enough to win an F1 race but simply never have the opportunity.

On the other hand, they're still paid millions of dollars to drive race cars, and hang out with 'the beautiful people', so I don't feel bad very long.

[cosworth151]

When we get to "second tier" drivers, many of them not only don't make millions, they have to come up with sponsorship who will buy them a seat.

[Jericoke]

When we get to "second tier" drivers, many of them not only don't make millions, they have to come up with sponsorship who will buy them a seat.

http://www.foxsports.com/motor/gallery/heres-how-much-each-f1-driver-will-make-in-2017-021317

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the article, and it's true, some drivers won't crack a million over their career, but Kvyat will.

[Alianora La Canta]

When we get to "second tier" drivers, many of them not only don't make millions, they have to come up with sponsorship who will buy them a seat.

http://www.foxsports.com/motor/gallery/heres-how-much-each-f1-driver-will-make-in-2017-021317

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the article, and it's true, some drivers won't crack a million over their career, but Kvyat will.

Only because Red Bull are having to pay him, because they deem being on the Red Bull (or possibly Honda) development programme a pre-requisite to being in Toro Rosso (and, at least since Coulthard left F1, Red Bull also), and not enough people meeting that criteria can obtain a Superlicence until the end of next year. Then Kyvat will most likely lose his salary altogether, along with his F1 drive and his most obvious route to getting a seat outside F1.

[Jericoke]

When we get to "second tier" drivers, many of them not only don't make millions, they have to come up with sponsorship who will buy them a seat.

http://www.foxsports.com/motor/gallery/heres-how-much-each-f1-driver-will-make-in-2017-021317

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the article, and it's true, some drivers won't crack a million over their career, but Kvyat will.

Only because Red Bull are having to pay him, because they deem being on the Red Bull (or possibly Honda) development programme a pre-requisite to being in Toro Rosso (and, at least since Coulthard left F1, Red Bull also), and not enough people meeting that criteria can obtain a Superlicence until the end of next year. Then Kyvat will most likely lose his salary altogether, along with his F1 drive and his most obvious route to getting a seat outside F1.

My point being, it's hard to feel sorry for someone paid millions of dollars to race in Formula 1, even if they are screwed over in favour of someone else being paid millions of dollars to race in F1

[Dare]

Quite a wide range in pay from top to bottom.

[Andy B]

Interestingly I wonder if Alonso is going to be paid as much when Vandoorn is out qualifying and beating him in races?

[cosworth151]

If you were a potential advertiser sponsor, which one would you pay more to be selling your product?

[Robem64]

Looks like the Torpedo has a chance

http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/21260963/daniil-kvyat-emerges-contender-2018-williams-f1-seat

[Scott]

I saw an article earlier (which at helm moment I can’t seem to find)that suggested the new rules could cost the top team’s a second much as £155million - don’t know if that was per year or what, it was just a headline.  But this article from Forbes details a lot of muck with the finances and Liberty’s crazy expenses which come out of team profits.  I would be concerned if I was a team owner as well.  Not much seems to be in ink.

And as for the headline, I would reconsider attending more races live if they scale back the F1 running.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2017/10/23/exclusive-f1-considering-cancelling-friday-practice-sessions/#33a34eb4eaea

[Jericoke]

I saw an article earlier (which at helm moment I can’t seem to find)that suggested the new rules could cost the top team’s a second much as £155million - don’t know if that was per year or what, it was just a headline.  But this article from Forbes details a lot of muck with the finances and Liberty’s crazy expenses which come out of team profits.  I would be concerned if I was a team owner as well.  Not much seems to be in ink.

And as for the headline, I would reconsider attending more races live if they scale back the F1 running.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2017/10/23/exclusive-f1-considering-cancelling-friday-practice-sessions/#33a34eb4eaea

Why would you go see more F1 if they cancelled Friday practice?  The raceday tickets would have to go up in price to make up the attendance shortfall.  (or, you know, charge the promoters less to host the event)

Personally I enjoyed the practice live.  The track wasn't as busy, it was easier to see things and do things.  (Don't get me wrong qualifying and racing were exciting too, but I didn't feel I was missing out on things I got a chance to do on Friday because most fans weren't there)

[Scott]

Sorry, I would reconsider going to ANY more races live (I am apparently grammatically challenged).  At the moment I do plan on going to some more.

But I don't think they are talking about cancelling Friday activity, just that they would give the race teams the day off.  I imagine they would still sell tickets for Friday but ram it full with support races.