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F1 News & Discussions => Pit Pass => Topic started by: F1fanaticBD on May 01, 2017, 09:19:16 AM
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What else I could say? Who in their sane mind would want to choose an engine that has been a laughing stock of the paddock, who is seeking another engine suppliers consultation to improve its own??
I am just speechless..
http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/39761616
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$$$$. Sauber has none, Honda has plenty. Sauber us at the back of the field with an antique Ferrari that they have to pay for, why not toodle around with a Honda they don't.
Still sour that there is so much Swiss money in F1, but not a rappin (that's what we call our pennies) in Sauber.
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It actually makes more sense than what they have now.
The way I see it, they have nothing to lose, and, if Honda can get their act together (year 3 approaching), it would be much better than what they have at present. And, as Scott points out, why pay for something that isn't doing them any good, when they can get something with some potential for nothing - free?
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At least Honda will have someone they can
compete with.
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There are rumors of McLaren going back to Mercedes. Honda might need a team as much as Sauber needs the money.
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There are rumors of McLaren going back to Mercedes. Honda might need a team as much as Sauber needs the money.
I read that too... might be a good gamble to become the works team if Honda are in for the long haul.
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I hope it works out better than their link up with BMW did.
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I read that too... might be a good gamble to become the works team if Honda are in for the long haul.
By works team you mean like when BMW tried for years unsuccessfully to take the WCC only to dump it all on it's rear end when it suited. ::)
Honda tie up sounds more like a get rich scheme for Kaltenborn to me :D
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Exactly - when BMW dropped Sauber, they sold it back to Peter Sauber for millions. They probably figure when Honda bails out of the sport again, they will sell the team back for $1 like they did for Brawn.
Kaltenborn is already rich, she just wants to save the team and maybe some dignity.
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It's win-win for Sauber.
They can't finish 11th this year, so even if there's a new entrant in 2018, it would take until 2019 for the team to be removed from the top 10 rankings - and who, exactly, is going to steam into the sport when Manor's stuff is being auctioned next week?
Honda will pay quite a bit of money for Sauber to take their engines, which Ferrari... ...won't. That's money Sauber can invest into being ready for the 2020 regulation changes. It's money that can be used to attract sponsors, thereby increasing their ability to improve the chassis still further.
Then, by 2020... ...either Honda will have improved, in which case Sauber will rise with the tide, or Honda will have a chassis and financial base attractive to another manufacturer who'll charge a more reasonable rate for a current engine. The only way Sauber can lose is if the economy implodes before the end of 2018 (in which case Honda will probably leave before the 2020 system and a brand new dawn begins).
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It's win-win for Sauber.
They can't finish 11th this year, so even if there's a new entrant in 2018, it would take until 2019 for the team to be removed from the top 10 rankings - and who, exactly, is going to steam into the sport when Manor's stuff is being auctioned next week?
That's the reason they choose to run year old engines this term, can't finish lower than 10th - which is a cash paying position - but you can save a good deal of money on engines. Better to survive to fight another day. ;)
Not sure I agree with your long term outlook Alia. Since the constructors championship began in 1958 no chassis manufacturer based outside Britain - except Ferrari of course - has ever won the constructors title. Even Matra in 1969 was really Ken Tyrell's outfit under a different name.
Whilst I'm sure Sauber will appear attractive to some investors post 2019 if they are in good shape from results & finances. I'm not certain any large manufacturer will see them as a route to conquering F1 though - history says otherwise.
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Can't happen because it never has? Pretty skeptical outlook on things.
Wasn't so many years ago that Sauber had the most cutting edge wind tunnel and supercomputer setup along with a respectable factory. Of course the FIA made the wind tunnel redundant, but otherwise they are only small steps from the top three teams capabilities.
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It's win-win for Sauber.
They can't finish 11th this year, so even if there's a new entrant in 2018, it would take until 2019 for the team to be removed from the top 10 rankings - and who, exactly, is going to steam into the sport when Manor's stuff is being auctioned next week?
That's the reason they choose to run year old engines this term, can't finish lower than 10th - which is a cash paying position - but you can save a good deal of money on engines. Better to survive to fight another day. ;)
Not sure I agree with your long term outlook Alia. Since the constructors championship began in 1958 no chassis manufacturer based outside Britain - except Ferrari of course - has ever won the constructors title. Even Matra in 1969 was really Ken Tyrell's outfit under a different name.
Whilst I'm sure Sauber will appear attractive to some investors post 2019 if they are in good shape from results & finances. I'm not certain any large manufacturer will see them as a route to conquering F1 though - history says otherwise.
Since 1973 no team based outside of the EU has won the WCC.
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Brexit will change that. ;)
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Not sure I agree with your long term outlook Alia. Since the constructors championship began in 1958 no chassis manufacturer based outside Britain - except Ferrari of course - has ever won the constructors title. Even Matra in 1969 was really Ken Tyrell's outfit under a different name.
Even if they had, I would have said it was too early to interpret "win-win" for Sauber as world titles at such close proximity as 2020. What I mean is that Sauber will end up in a better position doing this than it would have done had it stuck with last year's Ferraris - given that it won't be able to pay for this year's Mercedes, the only other engine offer on the table. They won't do a Brawn, but they could do a Force India.
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They won't do a Brawn, but they could do a Force India.
Have a team principal face gaol for financial impropriety? ;)
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They won't do a Brawn, but they could do a Force India.
Have a team principal face gaol for financial impropriety? ;)
Um... ...perhaps they could skip that step (FIF1's been in that situation twice, no need for anyone else to copy that part :D )