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Everything Else => Entertainment, Games & Computers => Topic started by: ChrisCurtis on July 17, 2017, 02:19:19 PM
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How do you guys feel about the 13th Doctor regenerating as a woman?
Now don't get me wrong, I am all for equality, but some things by definition are what they are. Santa is a man. James Bond is a man. Sherlock Holmes is a man. The Doctor is a man.
I get that there will be a whole new generation of little girls running around with sonic screwdrivers and they'll no doubt gain a lot more viewers than they lose.
I just wish they'd left the male to female regeneration to The Master and Missy.
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I don't see anything inherently wrong with it. Like every new Doctor, I'll take a wait-&-see attitude.
There was a lot of talk that Kris Marshall would be the new Doctor. I think he would have been a good one.
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I quite agree about Kris Marshal he would have been good as for The Doctor being a woman I expect they'll get away with it but whether it'll work in the same way I'm not so sure "time" will tell.
What cannot be done is have a female James Bond now that would not work in any way or form and the same goes for Sherlock!
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Dr Who should be a man just as Bond should be British.
I know Lanzby wasn't but we Americans are too dumb to know
the difference. That said he was my second favorite Bond
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Dr Who should be a man just as Bond should be British.
I know Lanzby wasn't but we Americans are too dumb to know
the difference. That said he was my second favorite Bond
I have to agree Dare but the BBC will get away with Dr Who, I thought Lazenby acted British?
They cannot change Bond as he's Commander James Bond, CMG, RNVR a fictional character created by British journalist and novelist Ian Fleming in 1953 so you cannot suddenly have a woman plus he's a womaniser whereas a woman acting the same would come across as a tart!
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Pierce Brosnan is Irish. ;)
Don't forget that the original film 007 was an American. Barry Nelson played American agent Jimmy Bond (really) in 1954. The CBS TV series Climax did a production of Casino Royale.
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Don't even know who the last Dr Who was, I remember clearly the first one, William Hartnell, my metalwork master in secondary school was the spitting image of him, we used to wind him up by calling out, Dr, help, the dalek's are here. He never saw the funny side of it.
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For me it all started with Tom Baker. Anything before that I've seen as an adult looking back. Now I'm nearly halfway through my 40's and the Cybermen still send a chill down my spine when I see them at TV and film conventions.
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How do you guys feel about the 13th Doctor regenerating as a woman?
Now don't get me wrong, I am all for equality, but some things by definition are what they are. Santa is a man. James Bond is a man. Sherlock Holmes is a man. The Doctor is a man.
I get that there will be a whole new generation of little girls running around with sonic screwdrivers and they'll no doubt gain a lot more viewers than they lose.
I just wish they'd left the male to female regeneration to The Master and Missy.
I don't see any problem with casting men/women as any particular fictional character. Certainly playing 'traditional' characters from folklore/religion is a little trickier, especially if they're based on real people.
If we do ever get 'Jane' Bond, it doesn't erase the work of Connery, Craig or Nelson. You don't have to like a movie/tv show/etc. that uses 'stunt casting', but really should give it a shot and see if it works on its own merits.
It might be easy to suggest that 'Jane' Bond shouldn't be Bond at all, but rather an entirely new character. Artistically I would agree. However, given that sequels and 'reboots' are where the money is made, it's a far safer bet to cast 'Jane Bond' than create something wholly new.
All that aside, I haven't watched Dr Who since the early 80s. Couldn't get past the poor production values, and being a little kid I didn't appreciate any of the wit that might have been on display. Unless they cast The Rock as Dr. Who, I'm probably not going to watch.
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I'll go along with Jane Blonde but never Jane Bond. James
Bond is a man for all the reasons Andy mentioned. Case closed :tease:
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I think I have a different perspective from many in the forum, because my Doctor Who-watching career started in 2005 and Christopher Eccleston (no relation to Bernie). While I've seen a few Classic Who episodes since, I've basically reconciled those to "New Who" (the 21st century reboot), whereas most people here were born and raised on Classic Who and have grafted "New Who" onto that base.
For me, the clues that Doctor Who would become a woman at some point have been obvious since 2005 (the first season of "New Who"), albeit the background status of the clues meant it was never possible to tell when it would become an important plot line. However, when The Master became Missy two seasons ago, it became implausible to me that the Doctor would be too far behind. At no point in New Who had either character done anything that suggested they had to stay permanently one gender, and for the Doctor to allow the Master to "have the upper hand" in powers wouldn't have made sense from a character perspective. The Master isn't the only Time Lord who's changed gender in a regeneration. (Strangest regeneration in canon is not, however, in the TV series. That prize goes to a Big Finish audio adventure where a regeneration gone wrong leads to a Time Lord turning into a sentient and rather bossy bird!)
I have no idea what Jodie is like as an actress (unlike Peter Capaldi, her predecesor, who I knew to be an excellent actor: his first season bore distinct resemblance to Fernando Alonso stuck in a McLaren-Honda, but last year's and this year's season were much better). However, I didn't know if Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant or Matt Smith would be up to the job either, and in their own ways they all managed it.
There are many ways to be The Doctor. My hope is that Jodie finds a novel one that works.
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If Bond had been portrayed more closely to the original Fleming concept, I would agree he should remain male. But the movies are more like live action video games. In that context, I don't think his gender makes a bit of difference.
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If Jane Bond bedded as many people as James she might
as well be a escort instead of 007
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That is an entirely sexist double standard. :P
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If Bond had been portrayed more closely to the original Fleming concept, I would agree he should remain male. But the movies are more like live action video games. In that context, I don't think his gender makes a bit of difference.
I could not disagree with you more!
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If Bond had been portrayed more closely to the original Fleming concept, I would agree he should remain male. But the movies are more like live action video games. In that context, I don't think his gender makes a bit of difference.
I agree. The movies are fluff and the JB character is simply a tool to take the audience from one ridiculous stunt to the next. Could be either gender. Don't get me wrong, I like Bond movies, but it is more as a stress reliever. I don't look forward to them like I do a Star Wars or a new Despicable Me ;) :D :D
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If Bond had been portrayed more closely to the original Fleming concept, I would agree he should remain male. But the movies are more like live action video games. In that context, I don't think his gender makes a bit of difference.
I agree. The movies are fluff and the JB character is simply a tool to take the audience from one ridiculous stunt to the next. Could be either gender. Don't get me wrong, I like Bond movies, but it is more as a stress reliever. I don't look forward to them like I do a Star Wars or a new Despicable Me ;) :D :D
I'm not a Star Wars fan especially after the last one which to me was was a re-hash make of an earlier one and I've not seen them all and doubt I ever will I even had to look up Despicable Me!
You could no more cast Bond as a woman as you could Sherlock Holmes they are both blokes end of! ;)
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If Bond had been portrayed more closely to the original Fleming concept, I would agree he should remain male. But the movies are more like live action video games. In that context, I don't think his gender makes a bit of difference.
I agree. The movies are fluff and the JB character is simply a tool to take the audience from one ridiculous stunt to the next. Could be either gender. Don't get me wrong, I like Bond movies, but it is more as a stress reliever. I don't look forward to them like I do a Star Wars or a new Despicable Me ;) :D :D
I'm not a Star Wars fan especially after the last one which to me was was a re-hash make of an earlier one and I've not seen them all and doubt I ever will I even had to look up Despicable Me!
You could no more cast Bond as a woman as you could Sherlock Holmes they are both blokes end of! ;)
Shirley Holmes and Dr Joanne Watson just might work....nah
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Shirley Holmes and Dr Joanne Watson just might work....nah
We already have a Dr Joan Watson played by Lucy Liu in Elementary. Based in New York with Johnny Lee Miller as Sherlock, I was really sceptical but it works well and is one of my favourite TV shows.
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Never watched it Chris...might have to give it a view. I
liked Lucy in Kilii Bill
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The one thing about having a female Dr Who that is wrong is that Dr Who has always been a time LORD, a time LADY has never been mentioned.
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The one thing about having a female Dr Who that is wrong is that Dr Who has always been a time LORD, a time LADY has never been mentioned.
'Time Lord' isn't a title, but a race. Just like man and woman are both human, a male and female Dr Who would still be Time Lords.
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I know Jeri, was just saying that time ladies have never been mentioned.
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I know Jeri, was just saying that time ladies have never been mentioned.
The canon is murky to be sure, but there is an episode titled 'The Doctor's Daughter'. While it's not clear if Jenny truly is the Dr's daughter or not, it is clear she's a Time Lord. (It's not indicated if she's a noble, so no idea if she's a Time Lord Lady, or just a lady Time Lord.)
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If they hadn't made Dr Who a female we wouldn't have had
Ian all upset. Some things you just can't take when you get
on in years.
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The one thing about having a female Dr Who that is wrong is that Dr Who has always been a time LORD, a time LADY has never been mentioned.
'Time Lord' isn't a title, but a race. Just like man and woman are both human, a male and female Dr Who would still be Time Lords.
Is that right? The Dr comes from Gallifrey so surely he's a Gallifriean just as we are Earthlings all in a galaxy sense of course! :D
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You guys are going to make me go extreme geek now.....
Time Lords are a species, the most famous of which come from Gallifrey. However not all Gallifreyans are Time Lords, and not all Time Lords are Gallifreyan.
Time Lords are made up of Time Lords and Time Ladies. Think dogs. As a species all dogs are dogs regardless of their gender. The male dog is also a dog whereas the female has a different name i.e. a b*tch.
In the dim distant past, there were some references to Time Ladies. William Hartnell travelled with his granddaughter Susan. She was referred to as a Time Lady.
The Time Lord high council also call their members Lords and Ladies.
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I know Jeri, was just saying that time ladies have never been mentioned.
Female Time Lords have been mentioned in several episodes of Classic Who (as well as the Sisterhood of Khan being entirely composed of them, and the companion Romana (as well as, possibly, Susan) being a Time Lady). Female Time Lords have also been shown in multiple episodes of "New Who", notably including the Master. That master villain is known as a Time Lord regardless of whether male or female in a particular regeneration. "New Who" has never described anyone as a "Time Lady" verbally, but I think there's been at least one mention of "ladies and gentlemen" in a New Who meeting of Time Lords. Classic Who definitely preferred calling all-female Time Lord groups "Time Ladies" except when some other title made more sense in context (such as the aforementioned Sisterhood of Khan). My understanding is that "Time Lord" is the only correct term if the emphasis is on the perceived role in the galaxy (for example, when the species refers to itself in its image) and "Time Lord/Lady" is used when emphasising the individual's title. This is because in English, "lord" and "lady" are titles that, to be correct, must be applied exclusively to men and women respectively, but the Time Lords' orthodox view of themselves is of exercising temporal lordship. "Temporal ladyship" would express something else entirely*, that wasn't really in the Time Lords' self-concept (even that of its female members).
* - Given their propensity for making their corner of the universe more medieval than strictly necessary, it would probably be a lot more domestic and rather less violent.
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Think I'll stick to Star Trek...it's a lot less confusing...as long as
you watch the original and not the new Star Trek movies that don't
follow cannon. What the heck they are pretty good.
Now Star Wars is another matter...I never could get into it
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I like them all, Dr Who, Star Trek, Star Wars....
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Think I'll stick to Star Trek...it's a lot less confusing...as long as
you watch the original and not the new Star Trek movies that don't
follow cannon. What the heck they are pretty good.
Now Star Wars is another matter...I never could get into it
In some respects, Star Wars is more complicated than Doctor Who (certainly once the official "expanded universe" is taken into account, which is a much bigger deal in Star Wars than in either Star Trek or Doctor Who). If you like your sci-fi straightforward and of a what-you-see-is-what you get nature, Star Trek is definitely the place to be. (Also, with Star Trek, the reboot is supposed to be its own canon, so unlike the other two series, all you need do with Star Trek is remember what happened in the series you are watching. I do not think Vulcans would be impressed with Star Wars in particular for this reason).
I like complicated, and I like all three major sci-fi series (Star Wars, Doctor Who and Star Trek) for different reasons.
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Think I'll stick to Star Trek...it's a lot less confusing...as long as
you watch the original and not the new Star Trek movies that don't
follow cannon. What the heck they are pretty good.
Now Star Wars is another matter...I never could get into it
In some respects, Star Wars is more complicated than Doctor Who (certainly once the official "expanded universe" is taken into account, which is a much bigger deal in Star Wars than in either Star Trek or Doctor Who). If you like your sci-fi straightforward and of a what-you-see-is-what you get nature, Star Trek is definitely the place to be. (Also, with Star Trek, the reboot is supposed to be its own canon, so unlike the other two series, all you need do with Star Trek is remember what happened in the series you are watching. I do not think Vulcans would be impressed with Star Wars in particular for this reason).
I like complicated, and I like all three major sci-fi series (Star Wars, Doctor Who and Star Trek) for different reasons.
Yes, all these things go for me too 8)
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Dare, regarding Dr Who, doesn't really bother me as I never watch it. :tease:
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I'm also a fan of all three. Star Trek is by far my favorite. That doesn't apply to the new movies. They are to the real Star Trek what the 1967 Peter Sellers-Woody Allen Casino Royale was to the real Bond movies. :sick:
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Dare, regarding Dr Who, doesn't really bother me as I never watch it. :tease:
Oops my mistake...I remember you liked Dr What |-(
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Actually, I prefer Dr. Pepper. :P :DntKnw:
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I think that it's fantastic news. Dr Who is all about change and renewal, so it makes perfect sense that the Doctor's gender can change. I hope that Jodie Whittaker is better served by the story writers than Peter Capaldi has been in the series which has just finished though. They desperately need to improve the scripts and plots.