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Author Topic: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.  (Read 6282 times)

Offline raindancer

Re: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2010, 06:27:29 AM »
And for everyone who encouraged Ali to post ! I have not tried to discourage her , all I meant was such info is easily avaiable over Google if someone cares to search instead of we having an argument continously on computers.
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2010, 12:09:47 PM »
Ali, how would you reckon Williams' supercomputer would compare to someone like McLaren's, given the differences in budgets between teams?  Also, do BMW Sauber get to keep that massively expensive one BMW brought in? {Williamsfan  - 9 posts from end of page 2}

Williams has one of the smaller supercomputers in F1, though they have seriously upgraded it within the last two years (before that Force India had the same capacity as they did). So Williams no longer has the smallest in-team computational capacity for the established squads (Force India have less, but they've recently invested in some distributed computer capacity and Toro Rosso was sharing with Red Bull and thus probably has less capacity than either Williams or Force India in-house).

I'm not sure what McLaren's level is, except that it is somewhere between Williams' and BMW's. I'm not sure Albert2 was even given to Sauber by BMW, but if it was, there may be restrictions on the amount that can be used. (As raindancer said in his post, supercomputers are much more modular than the olden days, so "downgrading" is possible, if extremely inconvenient for the IT department).
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Offline raindancer

Re: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2010, 05:02:41 PM »
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There you go Ali. You are an informatiopn pwerhouse. Mean it sincerely.
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Offline Wizzo

Re: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.
« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2010, 06:47:51 PM »
Personally I wouldn't advise any member to question Ali's knowledge on F1. She really is a true fountain of F1 facts and figures. I have also worked in computers all my life, but if I wanted to know about the computers used in F1 - I would ask Ali.  :good: 
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2010, 10:39:25 PM »
Personally I wouldn't advise any member to question Ali's knowledge on F1. She really is a true fountain of F1 facts and figures. {Wizzo - previous post}

 :-[  :-[

(By the way, it is OK to question me. I admit to not knowing everything...)
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Offline rmassart

Re: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2010, 08:38:45 AM »
My guess... F1 will start partnering with universities, and letting donors cover costs of 'research' equipment.  What engineering programme wouldn't want access to McLaren's shop in the off season?  (Our American friends will recognise an NCAA type problem here.)

Interesting discussion here, I found the above quote of particular relevance.

Back in the days of my Aeronautics degree at Southampton (mid 90s) Williams were using the University wind tunnel for a lot of their work. This brought the Uni some much needed cash I imagine, but more than that, the buzz going round the department after Mansell's 92 championship victory was quite significant.  Sadly shortly after that all the team started building their own wind tunnels. Also, the fact Newey is a Southampton graduate helped...

I think getting universities more involved in F1 again would be great step for the sport to give something back to the engineering community at large.

Offline Scott

Re: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2010, 10:14:37 PM »
Ali ! I think you should leave it after I have made a comment. BecaUSE i KNOW WHAT i AM TALKING ABOUT HAVING SPENT 22 YEARS IN COMPUTERS

I thought you were a Mergers and Acquisitions consultant?  Not picking a fight - just asking?
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Re: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2010, 10:29:58 PM »
My guess... F1 will start partnering with universities, and letting donors cover costs of 'research' equipment.  What engineering programme wouldn't want access to McLaren's shop in the off season?  (Our American friends will recognise an NCAA type problem here.)

Interesting discussion here, I found the above quote of particular relevance.

Back in the days of my Aeronautics degree at Southampton (mid 90s) Williams were using the University wind tunnel for a lot of their work. This brought the Uni some much needed cash I imagine, but more than that, the buzz going round the department after Mansell's 92 championship victory was quite significant.  Sadly shortly after that all the team started building their own wind tunnels. Also, the fact Newey is a Southampton graduate helped...

I think getting universities more involved in F1 again would be great step for the sport to give something back to the engineering community at large.

Williams (and I am sure others, but I know Williams more specifically) do offer some kinds of schemes for the wider engineering world still, but I guess it is a lot harder to source out in the same way as had been previously seen.  Here is some blurb from the Williams site:

2. Education

Williams has long supported a range of education initiatives, from vocational to academic and from primary to tertiary. The support has been equally varied, from providing financial bursaries (for instance for PhD students at Cranfield University) to assisting with curricula development (Oxford Brookes University) as well as annual vocational placement schemes for secondary school pupils and an active apprenticeship scheme.

In 2009, Williams formed a joint venture with Cambridge University Press, one of the world’s leading and longest established educational publisher. With the combined attractiveness of Formula One to school children and the sector expertise that Cambridge University Press has in educational software, the partnership created Race to Learn, a Formula One-themed teaching product for 7- to 11- year olds.

The product, which uses Formula One as an exciting point of engagement for primary school children, provides cross-curricular learning for Year 5 & 6 pupils providing 12 half-days of teaching support in many subject areas. It uses a range of multimedia content including real Formula One footage to promote individual and group working. Designed for interactive whiteboards, Race to Learn covers key curriculum topics – Science, Maths, Literacy, Geography, PSHE, Design & Technology, Physical Education – with each one linked to the relevant National Curriculum/Framework objectives.

Six months after its domestic launch in the UK, Race to Learn won a major industry award, the British Education & Technology Training (BETT) Digital Content award in the Primary category. It was commended by the BETT award judges as containing “superb activities that are highly engaging for children” and “with helpful teacher introduction and age-appropriate activities, Race to Learn is a well thought through support for cross-curricular learning.”

In addition to industry commendation, Race to Learn has also been wholeheartedly endorsed by the teaching profession and the education media. Reviewed recently in the leading trade title, Teach Primary!, the product scored 10/10 and attracted commendations that included “the activities have been carefully thought out and the children loved them.”

The initial success of Race to Learn has encouraged Williams F1 and Cambridge University Press to expand the project overseas, with foreign language versions currently in development. For more information, see www.racetolearn.org

Online cosworth151

Re: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2010, 12:34:41 PM »
Quote
(By the way, it is OK to question me. I admit to not knowing everything...)

Dang, Ali. I was about to ask you about some Lottery numbers.  ;)

Seriously, you never fail to shed light on the murkier areas of the sport. Thank you very much!
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: 2010/11 budget cap really only restricts personnel numbers.
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2010, 08:33:37 PM »
I was about to ask you about some Lottery numbers. {cosworth151 - previous post}

2, 5, 9, 12, 35, 42...

...probably won't be the winning numbers on Saturday ;) Or maybe they will be - what do I know?!?

And you're very, very welcome. It's a pleasure to share and you teach me things sometimes as well.
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