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Author Topic: US F1 offers compensation to miss season  (Read 3210 times)

Offline judy

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2010, 03:23:52 PM »
I fully agree with Jeri that substandard teams should not be allowed on the grid. FIA have already made big mistake of approving teams without making a thorough investigation on the financial aspects. They have to put a stop to all these mess and not replace one substandard team with another substandard team. I think only teams who are fully committed to strive for competitive racing through development, and with strong financial backing should be allowed on the grid, not teams who are taking part just to make up the numbers or just to get some TV time.  :nono:

Offline Dare

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 03:31:12 PM »
One report has USF1 down to 2 employees,hardly
a full fledged race team.Some ask what Stefan
would do next year after buying the dog[Toyota]
which I don't think was that bad of a car.what did
Brawn do this year after buying the dog Honda?Improved
their driver lineup is all.
"The
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are
willing to work and give to those who would not."
--
Thomas
Jefferson

Offline cosworth151

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2010, 03:38:32 PM »
I've read all kinds of reports. Most say USF1 is still fully staffed. I refer you to the link in an earlier post of mine on this subject.

There is no one at Stefan who could do Ross Brawn magic, so I doubt that the cars will be even as good as last year. What happens then Stefan blows up an engine? I'm sure Toyota isn't building parts for them anymore.

Does that mean you would have dumped teams like Minardi or Super Aguri? Force India, Red Bull, STR and even Williams have had seasons when they under performed. Should they have been thrown under the bus?

F1 needs stability in its structure. It needs teams that make the long term commitment. It doesn't need a team of year-old backmarkers.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Dare

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 03:50:56 PM »
Teams like Minardi SA,Force India,Red Bull,STR,
and Williams to name a few actually showed up
on the grid with a car.I admit these teams had
years with a bad car just like Toyota,so why single
out Toyota as the poster boy for bad cars.

Im all for a US F1 team!!!Maybe Penske will show them how
to do it one day.
"The
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are
willing to work and give to those who would not."
--
Thomas
Jefferson

Offline cosworth151

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 04:01:23 PM »
Toyota had one of, if not the biggest budget on the grid for 10 years and never won a single race.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Dare

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2010, 04:07:28 PM »
I think they had too many shoguns and not
enough samurais ;)
"The
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are
willing to work and give to those who would not."
--
Thomas
Jefferson

Offline Scott

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2010, 04:30:40 PM »
Toyota had one of, if not the biggest budget on the grid for 10 years and never won a single race.

Their reputation for quality seems to be showing under their skirt now - maybe it's no surprise they didn't win a thing with their budget.
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline Dare

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2010, 04:34:59 PM »
Toyota had one of, if not the biggest budget on the grid for 10 years and never won a single race.

Their reputation for quality seems to be showing under their skirt now - maybe it's no surprise they didn't win a thing with their budget.

All car manufactors have had their share of
quality control problems at one time or another.
That's how the Japanese became a world force
in the car market.
"The
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are
willing to work and give to those who would not."
--
Thomas
Jefferson

Offline Jericoke

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2010, 04:47:46 PM »

There is no one at Stefan who could do Ross Brawn magic, so I doubt that the cars will be even as good as last year. What happens then Stefan blows up an engine? I'm sure Toyota isn't building parts for them anymore.


Probably not.  One test will be enough to demonstrate that.


Does that mean you would have dumped teams like Minardi or Super Aguri? Force India, Red Bull, STR and even Williams have had seasons when they under performed. Should they have been thrown under the bus?


I was thinking specifically about Minardi and to a lesser degree Arrows... Paul Stoddard was quite proud of the fact that he had the worst F1 team.  Midland, Spyker... they certainly never gave the sport a genuine effort (and rightly sold out once they realised they were in over their head). 

I'll admit, my plan might have scuppered efforts from FIF1 and RBR/STR... both organisations have been fantastic at building a programme year over year.  There's no reason why USF1 and Campos can't do that.  There's no reason why they can't take a year off, like Toyota did, and get things right.  Just... if someone else is ready to step in, why not give them a chance?


F1 needs stability in its structure. It needs teams that make the long term commitment. It doesn't need a team of year-old backmarkers.

It does.  However, in the time since this 'stable' arrangement was made we lost Toyota, BMW and Renault SA.  (The Renault loss was different, but people would point it out if I missed it.)  We came close to losing Manor, USF1 and Campos both hang by a thread, and Sauber comes across as a duty to the people on payroll, rather than an organisation out to win (Williams too, I'm sad to say.)  Even FIF1 isn't guaranteed to show up (or has this corporate house thing been resolved?)


Offline Scott

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2010, 04:51:54 PM »
Just teasing, but it is a bit crazy that they've spent upwards of 2.5billion and nothing to show for it.
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline Dare

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2010, 05:20:19 PM »
Just teasing, but it is a bit crazy that they've spent upwards of 2.5billion and nothing to show for it.

Just think of the recalls they'd of had
if they hadn't spent 2.5 billion testing
in F1.Might have saved them thousands  :o
"The
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are
willing to work and give to those who would not."
--
Thomas
Jefferson

Offline cosworth151

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2010, 05:24:51 PM »
FIF1 is safe. They've filed the required paperwork.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=359080&FS=F1

Stoddy was not proud of being the worst team on the grid. He was very proud of being able to do as well as he did with the small budget he had. Minardi's "mouse that roared" spirit was why fans all over the world, including me, loved them.

Quote
One test will be enough to demonstrate that.

Only if they fry an engine in the first test.

Loosing Toyota was an example of stability. F1 wouldn't re-write the rules to suit Toyota, like NASCAR did, so they failed and left. NASCAR brags that there rules are written in pencil, that they change from race to race.

Sauber, Williams, Minardi and the like stay in F1 because it's their sole reason for existence. They stay because it's their passion. It's just an advertising sideshow to the BMW's and Honda's of the world.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Online John S

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2010, 05:47:16 PM »

what did Brawn do this year after buying the dog Honda? Improved
their driver lineup is all
.

Baa! Baa!...... keep counting sheep in your dreams.  :P   

Mind you are half right Michael for Rubens is no contest. :D

Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline Jericoke

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2010, 07:07:16 PM »

Loosing Toyota was an example of stability. F1 wouldn't re-write the rules to suit Toyota, like NASCAR did, so they failed and left. NASCAR brags that there rules are written in pencil, that they change from race to race.

Sauber, Williams, Minardi and the like stay in F1 because it's their sole reason for existence. They stay because it's their passion. It's just an advertising sideshow to the BMW's and Honda's of the world.

I'd love 13 privateers in the field... but I don't know how anyone can expect to compete with Ferrari and McLaren on an ongoing basis without the advertising sideshow.

Is the current mechanism going to help out?  Honda, Toyota and BMW pulled out as their programmes regressed.  Conversely, McLaren and Ferrari had off seasons, and they just buckled down.  Would Mallya or Mateschitz keep their teams going if they suffered a collapse like Honda did?  (I hope so, but tough to say.)  How to know which teams will stick it out, and which will throw in the towel?

If the FIA lets USF1 sit out a season, what's to say they'll be ready for next year?  The team has had a full year to produce a racer, and don't seem to be close at all.  If they were to show up with a car that just isn't up to par (like Toyota did), then I can understand that... I can see that they're trying.  Maybe they've got something to show the FIA behind closed doors?  I can respect that.  But the idea that they'll be able to double their budget with zero product... it's a tough sell.


Online John S

Re: US F1 offers compensation to miss season
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2010, 07:23:57 PM »


Im all for a US F1 team!!!Maybe Penske will show them how
to do it one day.

Roger had a go years ago and found it a lot harder than it looks. ;)

Penske entered a car for Mark Donahue in 74 & 75 seasons then in 76 ran John Watson, in 77 the Penske team became ATS but used the Penske PC4 chassis for one final year.

Carl Hass, another big name in Cart/Champ/Indy, also had a stab with a Beatrice funded Hass-Lola team in 85 & 86. He found it just as tough going and pulled out. Some good came from the Hass time in F1 though as Ross Brawn began his career as a designer for the team. :yahoo:





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