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Author Topic: Kers to make return in 2011?  (Read 7290 times)

FW14B

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Kers to make return in 2011?
« on: April 02, 2010, 08:23:00 AM »
Well, that is another spectacular waste of resources if they bring it back in after scrapping it..

From Autosport:

Teams to discuss return of KERS

By Jonathan Noble and Dieter Rencken    Friday, April 2nd 2010, 02:25 GMT

The potential return of Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems (KERS) to Formula 1 for 2011 is set to dominate the agenda of a meeting of team principals in Malaysia later today, AUTOSPORT has learned.

The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) is holding a get-together this evening to discuss the lessons of the first few races, and begin evaluation of improvements that could be made to the sport to improve the show.

Although some of the talks are expected to revolve around technical changes to the cars, sources suggest that one of the main areas of focus to help improving overtaking will be in getting KERS back on the cars.

The green technology was abandoned at the end of last year when teams agreed amongst themselves not to run the devices for 2010, because of the vast expense in successfully developing it. The use of the system remains in F1's technical regulations, however.

AUTOSPORT understands that teams will look at all options for a KERS return in 2011 - ranging from a standard supplier to freeing up the technology totally. Teams will also look at exactly how much, or how little, power the KERS should have.

The momentum behind getting KERS back has been increased because of the difficulties that drivers have faced in overtaking this season - and providing a push-to-pass system once again would help with the racing.

There is also a high chance that revisions to the cars already in the pipeline will help the situation further. Double diffusers have already been banned for 2011, which should cut downforce levels, while it is understood that the FIA is looking at increasing the width of F1's rear tyres to 18 inches for next year - up from the 13 inches of the current generation.

This will produce much more mechanical grip, which should be another factor in helping boost the racing spectacle.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2010, 08:26:30 AM by Williamsfan »



Jugirl

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Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 08:41:24 AM »
I think this could be a costly move, maybe difficult for newer teams to install but it could really spice up the overtaking and make every lap possibly full of overtakes and re takes. It could give McLaren a slight initial advantage too as their system was by far the most successful in 2009.
So if it comes in...please Ferrari design a better system than McLaren!! hehe
Jugirl

markb

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Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2010, 09:34:18 AM »
I think this could be a costly move, maybe difficult for newer teams to install but it could really spice up the overtaking and make every lap possibly full of overtakes and re takes. It could give McLaren a slight initial advantage too as their system was by far the most successful in 2009.
So if it comes in...please Ferrari design a better system than McLaren!! hehe
Jugirl

We'll see what happens, but it seems odd that they are considering re-introducing KERS when there were so many teams against it...including Ferrari!

Offline Ian

Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 10:16:04 AM »
I thought Ecclestone was commited to reducing costs. I never liked KERS anyway. Get rid of the double diffusers and re-design rear wings so that turbulance is cut down and slipstreaming is possible.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 12:51:59 PM »
I liked KERS, and I love that they propose to take the limits off.  F1 is supposed to be cutting edge... when a Toyota Prius is more advanced than an F1 car, it just ain't right.

Offline cosworth151

Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2010, 01:08:35 PM »
Quote
when a Toyota Prius is more advanced than an F1 car, it just ain't right.

But when the driver of an F1 car lifts of the accelerator, it stops speeding up. The brakes work on F1 cars, too. Not so for the Prius.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
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markb

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Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2010, 01:12:27 PM »
Excuse me, but I thought the Prius is a "road" car....., so why the comparison between that and an F1 car?

Offline Jericoke

Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2010, 02:38:25 PM »
Excuse me, but I thought the Prius is a "road" car....., so why the comparison between that and an F1 car?

Because 'pinnacle' means top.

One of the aspects that the FIA wanted to institute in F1 was 'trickle down technology'... all the stuff we see in F1 cars now will be in road cars in 5 years.  Now F1 is lagging behind road cars.

If that's how the FIA wants to play it, that's fine.  But if I'm not looking for high tech cars, I can watch something more local.

Offline Dare

Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 02:43:51 PM »
I thought Ecclestone was commited to reducing costs. I never liked KERS anyway. Get rid of the double diffusers and re-design rear wings so that turbulance is cut down and slipstreaming is possible.


my thoughts exactly Ian
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Offline John S

Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 02:49:07 PM »
kERS is still allowed in the regs, it's only a gentlemens agreement through FOTA that has left it out this season. There are a few teams in favour of kers, Macca and Williams to name but two. I have always understood that it was likely to reappear in 2011 so this has probably been on the aggenda for this FOTA meeting for a long time.

I'm in favour of anything that spices up the racing so a free for all is my choice, use it or not and use the system you want, top teams can sell customer versions to the low budget teams then everyones happy.
Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline cosworth151

Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2010, 03:04:55 PM »
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Because 'pinnacle' means top.

I thought it's a card game played with a double euchre deck.  ;)
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Offline Scott

Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2010, 04:57:57 PM »
I thought Ecclestone was commited to reducing costs. I never liked KERS anyway. Get rid of the double diffusers and re-design rear wings so that turbulance is cut down and slipstreaming is possible.


my thoughts exactly Ian

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FW14B

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Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2010, 05:37:48 PM »
Well, personally I'd like to see Williams system in a Williams as opposed to a Porsche, so we can find out how it would work in F1.  But I can understand the anti push to pass sentiments.  To me it should not be necessary, just sort out the cars so they can overtake with more ease!

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2010, 06:06:28 PM »
I'm not happy about this. Last year, KERS was used in the same way as "push-to-pass" in A1GP - that is to say as a "push-to-defend" button, because it was so much more effective in that role than in initiating an overtake. Therefore reintroducing KERS is likely to reduce the racing. Overtaking went up when KERS was stopped - why go backwards?
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Kers to make return in 2011?
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2010, 06:27:50 PM »
I'm not happy about this. Last year, KERS was used in the same way as "push-to-pass" in A1GP - that is to say as a "push-to-defend" button, because it was so much more effective in that role than in initiating an overtake. Therefore reintroducing KERS is likely to reduce the racing. Overtaking went up when KERS was stopped - why go backwards?

Overtaking is up this year over last year?  Once McLaren and Ferrari got the KERS sorted out, they were very exciting to watch.  I think the testing ban made it harder for teams to iron it out, which was a bit of a shame.  Of all the 'solutions' brought up to spice up F1, no one seems to bring that back up.  I can appreciate the cost cutting aspect, but allowing drivers time to become experts in their machines goes a long way to the spectacle.

 


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