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Author Topic: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.  (Read 6087 times)

Offline Chris Borg



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Offline Jericoke

Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2010, 11:25:22 PM »
I'm not  a fan of Michael Schumacher, but I'm not lining up to see him fall flat on his face.

There is more to being a champion than being the fastest driver.  Being on the right team at the right time goes a long way.  Working with the team helps a lot too.

7 championships isn't a fluke.

1 might be luck.  2 might be down to pure skill.  7 means there's something special there.

As for suggestions that the grid is better now than it was in Micheal's days, consider drivers he garnered a championship over:
Damon Hill
Jacques Villeneuve
Mika Häkkinen
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Räikkönen
Jenson Button
Alain Prost

Not to mention:
David Coulthard
Rubens Barrichello
Gerhard Berger
Juan Pablo Montoya

If Michael was overrated, then what were these guys?

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Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2010, 06:16:57 AM »
thanks Jeri for your telling counter-point to an overly sensational article.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2010, 02:42:19 AM by SennaMan »
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2010, 07:34:38 AM »
I must say I agree with Sir Sterling. MS got the right people on a team with proper financing and then tested relentlessly. His is a very good driver, but the 7 championships are the result of all the stars and planets aligning for him. And on at least one occasion, he "won" a title by deliberately crashing into Damon Hill after MS made an error that took him out of the race. Not the greatest ever, despite his titles and records.

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Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2010, 08:53:49 AM »
I think Sir Sterling is really wrong here.  Schumacher had to do a lot of work to get the dream team together at Ferrari.  You do not win 7 titles by being overrated.  He had luck, he cheated, but he was undoubtedly one of the best drivers to have ever graced F1.  As Jeri points out, he did have to face a lot of good cars and drivers during his career, although I'd say he never beat Alonso when Fernando was in comparable machinery. 

Offline stealthhaggis

Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2010, 09:00:39 AM »
I'm not  a fan of Michael Schumacher, but I'm not lining up to see him fall flat on his face.

There is more to being a champion than being the fastest driver.  Being on the right team at the right time goes a long way.  Working with the team helps a lot too.

7 championships isn't a fluke.

1 might be luck.  2 might be down to pure skill.  7 means there's something special there.

As for suggestions that the grid is better now than it was in Michael's days, consider drivers he garnered a championship over:
Damon Hill
Jacques Villeneuve
Mika Häkkinen
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Räikkönen
Jenson Button
Alain Prost

Not to mention:
David Coulthard
Rubens Barrichello
Gerhard Berger
Juan Pablo Montoya

If Michael was overrated, then what were these guys?

Mostly has beens???  :DntKnw:  :P

Seriously though, Schumacher may have been against some good drivers but the cars he was up against, bar maybe 2 teams a season (and then only 1 driver from those 2 teams), were either unreliable or in the main inconsistent. I think thats one way we are very lucky these days, in that we have so many teams with a real chance of winning and so many good drivers in fast reasonably reliable cars! Having said that, I do not agree that Schumacher is overrated. You don't win a title, never mind 7, without having some serious talent. The sod!

Jugirl

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Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2010, 09:05:42 AM »
As williams fan said "As Jeri points out, he did have to face a lot of good cars and drivers during his career, although I'd say he never beat Alonso when Fernando was in comparable machinery"

I totally agree :D He couldnt beat Fernando in 2005 and 2006 and the cars were equal, he even tried to resort to cheating at Monaco 2006 when he parked his car very badly in qualifying hehe.

But as much as i dont like him he is one of the best ( Behind Fernando ;) ) hehe


Williamsfan

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Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2010, 09:07:19 AM »
I'm not  a fan of Michael Schumacher, but I'm not lining up to see him fall flat on his face.

There is more to being a champion than being the fastest driver.  Being on the right team at the right time goes a long way.  Working with the team helps a lot too.

7 championships isn't a fluke.

1 might be luck.  2 might be down to pure skill.  7 means there's something special there.

As for suggestions that the grid is better now than it was in Michael's days, consider drivers he garnered a championship over:
Damon Hill
Jacques Villeneuve
Mika Häkkinen
Fernando Alonso
Kimi Räikkönen
Jenson Button
Alain Prost

Not to mention:
David Coulthard
Rubens Barrichello
Gerhard Berger
Juan Pablo Montoya

If Michael was overrated, then what were these guys?

Mostly has beens???  :DntKnw:  :P

Seriously though, Schumacher may have been against some good drivers but the cars he was up against, bar maybe 2 teams a season (and then only 1 driver from those 2 teams), were either unreliable or in the main inconsistent. I think thats one way we are very lucky these days, in that we have so many teams with a real chance of winning and so many good drivers in fast reasonably reliable cars! Having said that, I do not agree that Schumacher is overrated. You don't win a title, never mind 7, without having some serious talent. The sod!

You're not bitter :D

Offline stealthhaggis

Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 09:13:00 AM »
Me? Totally!  :D Never been able to forgive him for '94!  >:( :'(

Williamsfan

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Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2010, 09:55:53 AM »
Williams would have a few more titles, if it wasn't for that meddling Schumacher  :D  So I too am bitter!

Offline Scott

Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2010, 11:16:03 AM »
Schumacher might have another title or two if he hadn't been such an idiot and been excluded for points and a season for being bad.
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

markb

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Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2010, 11:23:29 AM »
Quote from Jeri..."Being in the right team at the right time goes a long way.  Working with the team helps a lot too"

Need we comment any further? He WAS in the RIGHT team, 'cause Ferrari, thanks to Brawn and Co, dominated F1 for 5 years, no other team could touch them, regardless of who the drivers were in that era, they simply couldn't match Ferrari and, I for one, only used to watch a handful of gp's every season because it became so boring! :'(

« Last Edit: April 29, 2010, 03:15:55 PM by markb »

Offline judy

Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2010, 01:45:49 PM »
Jugirl mentioned that he couldn't beat Alonso in a comparable car and that clearly show that Schumi is not so special after all.

I have not followed F1 yet when Schumi dominate the F1 before 2005 but I can imagine how boring F1 was at that era when everything was so predictable, as mentioned by markb. I am sure Schumi dominated F1 at that time mainly because all the development in Ferrari during that era was solely focussed on his driving style. Furthermore, Ferrari was able to develop their car to perfection during that era due to the special testing session in their own circuit, where they tested much more km than any other teams.

In recent years, Ferrari could no longer dominate after the ban on in-season testing. I am not in favour of the total ban of in-season testing but this has proven the point that Ferrari or Schumi are not so special or unbeatable after all. Without the special testing session, Schumi is not able to beat Nico after 4 races. The Merc car is also new to Rosberg, therefore the situation does not favour either Schumi or Rosberg. Let's see if there is any improvement in Schumi 's performance after another 3 or 4 races.

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2010, 04:09:03 PM »
Exactly. MS is a very hard worker and certainly talented, but not one of the best.

Lonny
Lonny

Offline cosworth151

Re: Scumacher branded over-rated by F1 legend.
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2010, 04:23:14 PM »
Schumacher might have another title or two if he hadn't been such an idiot and been excluded for points and a season for being bad.

He was only excluded after he'd already lost the WDC. He was also still allowed to count the races from that season for his personal stats.
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