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Author Topic: Schumacher Penalised  (Read 4213 times)

Williamsfan

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Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2010, 08:24:55 AM »
A farce in F1?  No way, I refuse to believe it! 

If they want the cars to come round in safety car conditions, make it simple for the world and let the safety car bring them over the finishing line.  If the car comes in, I am not surprised some thought they could overtake.  The commentary team (ie- Martin Brundle) even seemed to think it was a good, fair move. 

Offline monty

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2010, 09:17:21 AM »
Schumacher cheating again. What a surprise!
All the other teams understood the rule, the TV pundits understood the rule, most informed spectators understood the rule, but somehow it didn't apply to Schumacher. Duh!!

Offline stealthhaggis

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2010, 09:19:38 AM »
Well, well, well! Damon finally gets his own back on Schumacher!  :DD

Seriously though, as a long time Schmacher fan (wait....  :D ) I am surprised that Schumacher has been penalised. Alonso was clearly racing and everything pointed to the race being back on. No communication seemed to be given that the race was finishing under safety car conditions. Alonso got lucky there IMO, cost me a sodding point to in the GG!

Offline Scott

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2010, 09:22:41 AM »
German TV (RTL) thought it was legal, and even predicted a few pass attempts on the last corner, before the SC pulled off.  Everyone else didn't know, otherwise everyone would have just cruised to the checkered flag - but they didn't, everyone gave full power as soon as the green lights came on.  FIA messed up in my opinion, not Schumi.
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline Ian

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2010, 09:24:20 AM »
 :DD Cheers monty, knew you would'nt let me down. I thought they'd changed the S/C rule to allow them to race once they'd crossed that line when the S/C pullled in.
An aircraft landing is just a controlled crash.

Offline stealthhaggis

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2010, 09:27:46 AM »
German TV (RTL) thought it was legal, and even predicted a few pass attempts on the last corner, before the SC pulled off.  Everyone else didn't know, otherwise everyone would have just cruised to the checkered flag - but they didn't, everyone gave full power as soon as the green lights came on.  FIA messed up in my opinion, not Schumi.

Exactly, the only reason Schumacher got passed Alonso was because his tyres were more than a little used by that point so when he tried to put the power down he slid letting Schumacher up his inside. They should have let the SC cross the line to avoid confusion, at all the other parts of the race where it was deployed you could overtake from the first line, silly rule.

Offline monty

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2010, 09:29:30 AM »
Quote
  Cheers monty, knew you would'nt let me down. I thought they'd changed the S/C rule to allow them to race once they'd crossed that line when the S/C pullled in.
I aim to please (Schumacher normally aims straight at his competitors).

Offline Ian

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2010, 09:41:38 AM »
LOL
An aircraft landing is just a controlled crash.

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2010, 10:21:02 PM »
The problems are that "normal without overtaking" means that neither yellow nor green is technically correct. Full speed is possible (so yellow flag would be wrong) but overtaking is not (so green flag would also be wrong). We need a snot-coloured flag for this scenario...

Also, Article 40.7 misleadingly implies it covers all scenarios involving Safety Cars when Article 40.13 clearly indicates it doesn't. Better signposting could have avoided this incident entirely as I believe it was confusion over the regulations that started the ball rolling.
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Offline Dare

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2010, 10:35:11 PM »
Maybe the FIA should have issued a memo to the stating
"were pulling in the sc and but disregard the green lights
as passing isn't allowed"

While their at it maybe the FIA should post the different
speeding rules for the different teams and drivers

And to make Turkey really interesting we have two weeks to
find a ex F1 driver who has a grudge against a now racing
driver for a little payback[how about JV@ Turkey}watch out
Michael
"The
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are
willing to work and give to those who would not."
--
Thomas
Jefferson

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2010, 02:05:05 AM »
I don't understand the confusion. The rule clearly states the safety car will enter the pit lane, which it did, and the race will finish with NO OVERTAKING allowed. Seems clear to me. This is to avoid the spectacle of the safety car leading the racers over the line. It looks like a normal finish. If Damon was looking for payback here, I would say he has not evened the score unless MS loses the championship by a handful of points. Not Likely. You should make up your minds, most thought having drivers on the stewarding panel was a good idea, now you think Damon cost MS 6th place all by himself. Not Likely. And since Mark was speeding during practice, not during the race, no penalty was justified. :DntKnw: :DntKnw:

Lonny
Lonny

Offline cosworth151

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2010, 12:33:11 PM »
I've been going to races for over 50 years. I started driving race cars almost 40 years ago. Road, drag, dirt and paved ovals, one rule was always the same:

GREEN MEANS GO!

If you want the race to end under yellow, leave the yellow lights on! As many of you know, I'm not a fan of Schumacher. This time, however, he was in the right.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Cam

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2010, 01:20:21 PM »
The correct thing would be to have the safety car take them over the line but its looks better on TV if the safety car isnt there, so Bernie arranges this "no safety car but you cant race" rule.

There shouldnt' have been a problem since you werent able to overtake until the start/finish line anyway but then they opened this loophole about when overtaking can start after the safety car pulls in. 

One of the highlights of the year so far for me Schumi pulling that stunt, at best it was 50/50 whether he would get away with it, but regardless of the penalty I reckon he would have enjoyed it, I know I did.

Cheers,
Cam
I am a lover of what is, not because I'm a spiritual person, but because it hurts when I argue with reality - Byron Katie

Offline Scott

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2010, 01:23:41 PM »
As it's clearly been said here more than once, if they didn't want the drivers to overtake, why did race control change the track status to GREEN???
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline Cam

Re: Schumacher Penalised
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2010, 01:27:47 PM »
As it's clearly been said here more than once, if they didn't want the drivers to overtake, why did race control change the track status to GREEN???

At risk of repeating myself, because it looks better (to the great unwashed, not the cognoscenti that inhabit this forum) if they dont finish behind the safety car.
I am a lover of what is, not because I'm a spiritual person, but because it hurts when I argue with reality - Byron Katie

 


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