Ten drivers handed post-race penalties

[Dare]

5 second penality.I wonder how they arrived at this figure




Ten drivers handed post-race penalties Jenson Button, Rubens Barrichello, Nico Hulkenberg, Robert Kubica, Vitaly Petrov, Adrian Sutil, Vitantonio Liuzzi, Sebastien Buemi and Pedro de la Rosa have all received penalties from the Valencia stewards for safety-car rule infringements.

All nine men will have five seconds added to their final race time for speeding under the safety car during their in-laps prior to pitting following Mark Webber’s dramatic crash in the early stages of the European Grand Prix.

In a separate incident, Timo Glock has had 20 seconds added to his race time for ignoring blue flags.

Official results from the FIA will follow.

[John S]

Autosport reports it differently and says that the drivers were to slow, this is an axtract from their site.

The FIA has handed five-second penalties to nine Formula 1 drivers for a safety car rules breach during the European Grand Prix.

Jenson Button, Rubens Barrichello, Nico Hulkenberg, Robert Kubica, Vitaly Petrov, Adrian Sutil, Sebastien Buemi, Pedro de la Rosa and Vitantonio Liuzzi have been penalised for "failing to stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU when the Safety Car was deployed."

Either way I think that this is more about a technical infringement, hence the 5 seconds penalty. Either the lap they were on, before pitting, as a racing lap until the SC was called would have been too fast, or their stopping in the pits will have dropped their lap time on the out lap until they caught the train behind the safety car. It's unclear just what it is though so no wonder it took so long to sort out.

 

[Dare]

I've seen where Pedro lost a point but
haven't seen a revise order of finish

Anyone find one post it.The future of
the world depends on it.

[John S]

To hear is to obey oh Great Dare.

From Autosport.com.

Updated results and standings:

Classified:

Pos  Driver        Team
 1.  Vettel        Red Bull-Renault
 2.  Hamilton      McLaren-Mercedes
 3.  Button        McLaren-Mercedes
 4.  Barrichello   Williams-Cosworth
 5.  Kubica        Renault
 6.  Sutil         Force India-Mercedes
 7.  Kobayashi     Sauber-Ferrari
 8.  Alonso        Ferrari
 9.  Buemi         Toro Rosso-Ferrari
10.  Rosberg       Mercedes
11.  Massa         Ferrari
12.  De la Rosa    Sauber-Ferrari
13.  Alguersuari   Toro Rosso-Ferrari
14.  Petrov        Renault
15.  Schumacher    Mercedes
16.  Liuzzi        Force India-Mercedes
17.  Di Grassi     Virgin-Cosworth
18.  Chandhok      HRT-Cosworth
19.  Glock         Virgin-Cosworth
20.  Senna         HRT-Cosworth
21.  Trulli        Lotus-Cosworth

[Canada Darrell™]

Oh please, oh please GREAT FIA OFFICIALS IN THE SKY

Explain in plain english to me why 10 drivers get 5 seconds and Hamilton gets a drive through?

Oh wait, I figured out how you determine penalties and such and I'm now going to be the spoiler and reveal your super-secret way of handling just about any penalties lately....

[Alianora La Canta]

5 second penality.I wonder how they arrived at this figure {dare - original post}

Not by looking at their own regulations, that's certain!

[Alianora La Canta]

Either way I think that this is more about a technical infringement, hence the 5 seconds penalty. Either the lap they were on, before pitting, as a racing lap until the SC was called would have been too fast, or their stopping in the pits will have dropped their lap time on the out lap until they caught the train behind the safety car. It's unclear just what it is though so no wonder it took so long to sort out. {John S - 5 posts ago}

In the former case, the FIA must have miscalculated its delta time, in which case, no penalty should have been issued at all. In the latter case, the wording of the penalty would have been for a differently-worded offence. Either way, there should not have needed to be much debate at all.

[Hampster]

this must p*ss ferrari off even more. Fantastic

[SennaMan]

whatever, but congratulations to Hamilton and McLAREN for finding a new racing strategy:

pass the b safety car every time you figure it will be deployed for many continuous laps, and take the lesser hit of a drive-through penalty

b brilliant!

so next time expect to see all drivers passing the safety car to get into the pits as soon as they can

FIA stewards you are so f useless!

[Dare]

If the FIA would act like a major racing
organization instead of a bunch of guys
getting together for a weekend of racing
we wouldn't be having these discussions

1  Make up a set of rules and penalties
    that can be understood and stick to them

2  Hire and train impartial stewards to see
    all obey the rules

3  Have a panel to monitor the FIA officials and
    stewards and if their caught cheating or
    showing favoritism remove them with no
    questions asked

      Bring some respect to the sport!it gets worse every year

[Canada Darrell™]

SennaMan & Dare

Well said. Absolutely spot on.
 

[SennaMan]

SennaMan & Dare

Well said. Absolutely spot on.
 

thanks mate, like Dare I'm just wanting consistency even if we cannot have wisdom!

[lkjohnson1950]

Part of the reason they are not consistent is that the stewards are different at each race. Button et all were penalized for going too fast to get back to the pits during the Safety car period. Whiting sets a minimum time, meaning you have to be slower than the minimum. Hamilton was penalized for passing the safety car as it exited the pits. As in most of his mistakes, it was painfully obvious. As the safety car came out of the pits, he slowed as if he was going to fall in behind it, then suddenly accelerated away from it. Dumb. But, it takes so long for the stewards to make a ruling that he was able to open a big enough gap to stay ahead of Kobie and Button despite the drive through. NASCAR does it much better, one man makes the call, he makes it quickly and in all likelihood Louis would have been sent to the back of the line before the green flag waved again. Of course, in NASCAR, that would not guarantee a useless finish. I think the others were penalized 5 seconds because the rule is a bit obscure and that produced the least change in the result of anything they could do.

Lonny

[Monty]

whatever, but congratulations to Hamilton and McLAREN for finding a new racing strategy:

pass the b safety car every time you figure it will be deployed for many continuous laps, and take the lesser hit of a drive-through penalty

I can't agree. I have never driven wearing a Hans Device but when I drove single seaters there was zero visability at 90degress to straight ahead. Hamilton had seen the Safety Car accelerating out of the pits but his speed was far higher so he was alongside the safety car in a blink of an eye. He then had to make a split second decision if he was in front or behind the Safety car as they crossed the Safety Car line. This would be impossible for him to know because he simply would not be able to see.

[John S]

whatever, but congratulations to Hamilton and McLAREN for finding a new racing strategy:

pass the b safety car every time you figure it will be deployed for many continuous laps, and take the lesser hit of a drive-through penalty

I can't agree. I have never driven wearing a Hans Device but when I drove single seaters there was zero visability at 90degress to straight ahead. Hamilton had seen the Safety Car accelerating out of the pits but his speed was far higher so he was alongside the safety car in a blink of an eye. He then had to make a split second decision if he was in front or behind the Safety car as they crossed the Safety Car line. This would be impossible for him to know because he simply would not be able to see.

Very good point you make Monty which gives a fresh view about what happened.  

I would like to add that the claim from Ferrari that Lewis was backing up the others can be explained by his need to stay within the delta time set under the SC rule.