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Author Topic: Nothing changes at Ferrari  (Read 14522 times)

Offline Scott

Re: Nothing changes at Ferrari
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2010, 10:01:25 PM »
In this case maybe, but if a large fine and points deductions from both Massa and the team itself, both the teams and the driver who moves over would have to take another look at such a strategy...and if Massa was hurt by a penalty more than Alonso for moving over, he would think twice about doing it ever again, regardless of what his contract says or doesn't say.
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Offline JC1

Re: Nothing changes at Ferrari
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2010, 01:52:08 AM »
All this talk about team orders has got to come to a head, one way or the other. It is a team effort identical liveries set the tone & theme of a team. Team orders will always be present in this sport, let's not play hipocritical  lets accept it and deal with it.
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Nothing changes at Ferrari
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2010, 05:43:14 AM »
If they want to do away with this rule, fine I'll watch something else, but until then the rule is no team orders, and Ferrari pretty clearly thumbed their nose at it. They deserve whatever they get.  >:D

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Re: Nothing changes at Ferrari
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2010, 12:06:42 PM »

Hi JC1 and welcome, good to have a new member posting in the forum. I have sympathy for your point and recall that BAR were stopped from having different liveries on each car as entrants must present one team identity. There are also big money rewards for teams according to their finishing position each year in the constructors championship. F1 therefore is clearly a team game, but, and it is a very big but, crucially it is also an individual contest between drivers.
 
Of course most teams do favour one driver over another at certain times and this falls under the heading of team orders. Although technically all team orders are banned like all wrongdoing you need proof before you can even charge, let alone prove guilt, and this can be a big difficulty.

IMHO the no team orders rule was really introduced to stop the blatant and very public place swapping that teams were indulging in, a clear attempt by the authourities to help safeguard the integrity of the competition in the drivers championship by stopping obvious race fixing. Ferrari of all the teams should know why this rule was introduced, they had to pay a million bucks the last time they pulled the same stunt.

I personally can't see any reason to overturn the rule, this is the first time it has been used since it was introduced and as far as I can recall it's the first time any team has so blatantly rigged the outcome of a race since then as well. The WMSC must act decisively to uphold what little integrity the drivers championship has, and to ensure races appear to be a real contest to the public.




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Re: Nothing changes at Ferrari
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2010, 12:48:19 PM »
Howdy, JC1. Glad to have you here.

I agree with you, John. This kind of obvious race fixing will damage the reputation of the sport and drive away casual fans.
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Re: Nothing changes at Ferrari
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2010, 12:48:19 PM »
Ferrari is never going to change they have the best technique on the race track. 

Offline Scott

Re: Nothing changes at Ferrari
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2010, 04:59:13 PM »
I'm not sure I understand what you mean seenathkumar.  Can you explain a bit better?
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