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Re: Heroes & Zeroes Suzuka
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2010, 02:23:58 PM »
I completely agree with Jeri, I wanted a ban on re-fueling and I still think it has improved F1 from a spectators point of view. Generally 2010 has provided good racing. What we need now is for the whole field to close up so we see great racing with all the cars on the same lap and within a couple of seconds of each other.

I hope you mean within a couple of tenths of each other.  :good: ;)



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Offline Jericoke

Re: Heroes & Zeroes Suzuka
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2010, 03:09:14 PM »
Everyone talks about the great racing this year>
To me except for a hand full of races it's been mostly
procession races,not what I hoped the new rules
would bring.

The no refueling hurts
The tires are too good[transfer that technology to road cars]
Lessen up the aero
Stop the teams using strategy for their preferred drivers



I don't know what you've been watching the last few years, but it has been far less 'processional' than I'm used to watching.  Sure, it's not NASCAR's 30 passes per lap, and there's still room to improve the passing opportunities, but the cars are CLOSE this year.  When did that last happen? 

5 drivers with a pretty decent shot at winning the championship?  Has that EVER happened?

I do believe that the refueling ban has produced the desired result of making the drivers pass on track rather than the pits.

I do agree that the tyre rules are not working out... they are too good to be used strategically, but not good enough that they could just eliminate the tire changes entirely.  (I think it's worth discussing if there is a need for pitstops in F1 racing any more)

Definitely room to improve the aero.  they need to find a way to favour the trailing car, rather than penalise it.  Ironically the F-Duct seems to do that. (Hamilton and Petrov demonstrated that very well I think!)

The team orders debate will never go away.  not as long as there are mandatory 2 car teams.

As for the closeness of overall racing, I think that Wizzo's tour of Lotus showed just how behind the 8-ball the new teams are in terms of using modern materials on short notice.  Hopefully next season will allow them to catch up.  (And Maybe the FIA will approve any future teams with enough lead time to actually compete.)

Offline Dare

Re: Heroes & Zeroes Suzuka
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2010, 04:34:03 PM »
Everyone talks about the great racing this year>
To me except for a hand full of races it's been mostly
procession races,not what I hoped the new rules
would bring.

The no refueling hurts
The tires are too good[transfer that technology to road cars]
Lessen up the aero
Stop the teams using strategy for their preferred drivers



I don't know what you've been watching the last few years, but it has been far less 'processional' than I'm used to watching.  Sure, it's not NASCAR's 30 passes per lap, and there's still room to improve the passing opportunities, but the cars are CLOSE this year.  When did that last happen? 

5 drivers with a pretty decent shot at winning the championship?  Has that EVER happened?

I do believe that the refueling ban has produced the desired result of making the drivers pass on track rather than the pits.

I do agree that the tyre rules are not working out... they are too good to be used strategically, but not good enough that they could just eliminate the tire changes entirely.  (I think it's worth discussing if there is a need for pitstops in F1 racing any more)

Definitely room to improve the aero.  they need to find a way to favour the trailing car, rather than penalise it.  Ironically the F-Duct seems to do that. (Hamilton and Petrov demonstrated that very well I think!)

The team orders debate will never go away.  not as long as there are mandatory 2 car teams.

As for the closeness of overall racing, I think that Wizzo's tour of Lotus showed just how behind the 8-ball the new teams are in terms of using modern materials on short notice.  Hopefully next season will allow them to catch up.  (And Maybe the FIA will approve any future teams with enough lead time to actually compete.)



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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Heroes & Zeroes Suzuka
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2010, 05:06:46 AM »
There has been some good racing, particularly down in the pack. Some tracks will never produce good racing for a variety of reasons, eg Valencia. Less aero would be a very good thing, but neither drivers nor teams are willing to go far enough. Refueling adds another dimension, but you need to allow the teams to start with however much fuel they want, and you need to reduce the number of people in the pits, and use a slow fuel feed. It's too easy for a team to open up a gap, do a flash pitstop and not lose track position. :DntKnw:

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Offline Monty

Re: Heroes & Zeroes Suzuka
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2010, 02:51:30 PM »
Quote
I do agree that the tyre rules are not working out... they are too good to be used strategically

Pirelli will soon sort that out. I bet they can make a bad soft compound tyre and an even worse hard compound  :D

Offline Cam

Re: Heroes & Zeroes Suzuka
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2010, 09:35:40 AM »
Heroes

Adrian Newey - for building a front wing that flexes on the track but not in the test shed

Mark Webber - For nicking the fastest lap from Vettel on the last lap

Sebastian Vettel - Flawless race from a man who has shown a few flaws this year

Kobayashi - driving with great spirit, makes you wonder what the others could do if they drove like that

Zeroes

Jarno Trulli - For being excited about the pace of the Lotus


p.s. chalk me up as a fan of no refuelling, I like to see the racing done on the track too.
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