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Author Topic: Sauber disqualified from Grand Prix  (Read 5548 times)

David

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Re: Sauber disqualified from Grand Prix
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2011, 07:17:42 PM »
Peter Sauber should get the one thing that would assure that his cars would fly right through scrutineering - a bucket of Rosso Corsa paint. 

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Re: Sauber disqualified from Grand Prix
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2011, 05:30:46 AM »
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I dont see what wing section radius of curvature has got to do with F-duct systems?
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Re: Sauber disqualified from Grand Prix
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2011, 11:32:20 AM »
:DntKnw:   :DntKnw:

I dont see what wing section radius of curvature has got to do with F-duct systems?

I think because it's hard to stop designers routing air over the top, or even through the cars, this minimum curvature is trying to ensure that little or no advantage can be gained from directed airflows; a defacto always open F-duct type arrangment. I admit this a  guess, does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

   
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Re: Sauber disqualified from Grand Prix
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2011, 11:54:13 AM »
You're probably right John.

What confuses me is that the ball is effectively limiting the camber or curvature of the aerofoil section of the wing elements.  Its like instead of saying, "no f-duct" they are saying, " you cant have an wing section that might be able to take advantage of an f-duct". 

Just seems to be a very convoluted way of saying "no f-duct"
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Sauber disqualified from Grand Prix
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2011, 06:13:27 AM »
I'm not quite clear on whether they're using the template on the width of the wing, or on the chord of the wing. The FIA always seems to over regulate. Why not just say No F-Duct?

Lonny
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Re: Sauber disqualified from Grand Prix
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2011, 03:13:18 PM »
I'm not quite clear on whether they're using the template on the width of the wing, or on the chord of the wing. The FIA always seems to over regulate. Why not just say No F-Duct?

Lonny

Because it's F1!  If you say 'no F-Duct', then Newey installs a G-Duct and says it's totally different.

The main problem with defining the rules is that there's no effective way to measure the cars except with templates, rulers and scales.  They'd much rather say that the car can only have 700 lbs of down force, but how can you check that trackside?

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Re: Sauber disqualified from Grand Prix
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2011, 01:34:36 AM »
If NASCAR thinks a team is too fast or is skirting the rules, they just confiscate the car and gp over it slowly and carefully including sticking it in a wind tunnel if they think they need to. I imagine the prospect of losing a car for a couple of races would keep most teams pretty honest.  ;)

Lonny
Lonny

Offline Jericoke

Re: Sauber disqualified from Grand Prix
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2011, 03:16:35 PM »
If NASCAR thinks a team is too fast or is skirting the rules, they just confiscate the car and gp over it slowly and carefully including sticking it in a wind tunnel if they think they need to. I imagine the prospect of losing a car for a couple of races would keep most teams pretty honest.  ;)

Lonny


That isn't such a bad idea.  The biggest hold up would be logistics of moving cars back and forth to wind tunnels during fly away season.

Making the accusor pay for the shipping if the charged car is deemed 'legal', and a fine on top of that, should be enough to stop false accusations from flying.

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Re: Sauber disqualified from Grand Prix
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2011, 05:22:28 PM »
If NASCAR thinks a team is too fast or is skirting the rules, they just confiscate the car and gp over it slowly and carefully including sticking it in a wind tunnel if they think they need to. I imagine the prospect of losing a car for a couple of races would keep most teams pretty honest.  ;)

Lonny


That isn't such a bad idea.  The biggest hold up would be logistics of moving cars back and forth to wind tunnels during fly away season.

Making the accusor pay for the shipping if the charged car is deemed 'legal', and a fine on top of that, should be enough to stop false accusations from flying.

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