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Author Topic: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr  (Read 7016 times)

Offline limelee

Re: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2011, 09:36:53 PM »
The solution is simple then, allow F1 cars to have whatever engines they like. If ferrari want a v12 monster powerhouse that can generate 8000BHP then let them. If someone else wants to develop a triple turbo electric Kers Hybrid that is silent then let them. Put the limits on the fuel loads like back in the turbo era. Homologation has run its course and maybe it shouldn't be continued, the next era of F1 shouldn't be decided in a rule book before the engines are even tested and raced, we should get the opportunity for teams to develop different types of engines before homologating the rules again.

With regards to Ferrari/Tifosi point, lets not forget that Ferrari need F1 as much as F1 needs Ferrari. F1 provides the Platform for ferrari to showcase it's brand, and Ferrari shift loads of merchandise and cars on the back of what it gains from F1, so if the sport changes, Ferrari would change with it, even if they kick and scream along the way!

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2011, 01:38:14 AM »
Ferrari's early competition cars were often 4 cylinders. The 500 F2 Ascari won in was a 4. Ferrari did not drop out of F1 in the early 60s when the 1.5 liter formula made a 12 impractical. Ferrari races in F1 because it gets more publicity worldwide than it can get in any other series. I would bet that they already have an engine well along in development.

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Re: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2011, 09:50:26 AM »
Ferrari's early competition cars were often 4 cylinders. The 500 F2 Ascari won in was a 4. Ferrari did not drop out of F1 in the early 60s when the 1.5 liter formula made a 12 impractical. Ferrari races in F1 because it gets more publicity worldwide than it can get in any other series. I would bet that they already have an engine well along in development.

Lonny

Yeah, Ferrari's small engine specialists FIAT are already toiling away as we discuss the subject. They'll name the 2013 car the Ferrari 500.  :D :DD :DD

Do you reckon Tata might be hoping to get their teensy weensy engine from the Nano in the back of either Force India or HRT, with Karun or Narhain in the cockpit?  :fool:  ;)  :D :DD :DD





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Offline cosworth151

Re: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2011, 12:52:34 PM »
That was half a century ago. How long do you think it would take for the teams, with Ferrari, to start a break-away series? How many prime venues, that Bernie has dumped to fill his own pockets, would jump right in? Bernie would be left with the name "F1" and little else.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2011, 03:43:46 AM »
The FIA owns the rights to the title F1 World Championship I believe. If Ferrari cannot be a recognized world champion, I do not believe they will leave. Ferrari is working on a hybrid, why not an entry level 4, or why not develop a hybrid turbo 4 for Alfa another FIAT division. I honestly don't understand why you guys are so against this. F1 is supposed to be high tech, this is a high tech formula. The cars will be just as powerful, and in all likelihood faster than the current ones. And at the start shouldn't have their development limited or frozen. F1 races have been won by 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, and 16 cylinder engines in many configurations and with many exhaust notes. The only constant is change. The fastest type has always changed as rules and engineering changed. It's still F1 and the object is close racing, period.

Lonny
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Offline cosworth151

Re: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2011, 02:29:40 PM »
Quote
the object is close racing, period.

You just described NASCAR. Ancient tech with nearly spec-racer cars, but the racing is close!

F1 is supposed to be exotic and sexy. Politically Correct 4 popper econo-boxes aren't.

The new series could be Grand Prix World Championship. With great cars and great tracks, no one would miss the phrase "F1."
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Jericoke

Re: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2011, 02:58:09 PM »
Quote
the object is close racing, period.

You just described NASCAR. Ancient tech with nearly spec-racer cars, but the racing is close!

F1 is supposed to be exotic and sexy. Politically Correct 4 popper econo-boxes aren't.

The new series could be Grand Prix World Championship. With great cars and great tracks, no one would miss the phrase "F1."

Agreed.  The object is never should never be close racing.  It should be about cars with more horsepower than God, more downforce than Lucifer and people crazier than Charlie Sheen to drive them.

With luck, more than one team can do that, and things get close.

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2011, 05:33:14 AM »
The current V8s are not the most powerful engines that ever ran in F1. I am not as enamored with the sound as some of you. In the early 2000s we had cars with about the same power as now, lots of down force, and Michael Schumacher winning nearly all the races. Most people were bored watching Ferrari cream the opposition. We have been complaining about the lack of passing, the lack of racing for years. The rules have been changed to improve passing. Of course it's about close competition. The effect of the current rules is to handicap Ferrari, McLaren etc, because the big teams can afford more wind tunnel time, more track testing, more people. Now they can't spend their money for that, and it reduces their edge. The new engines will produce the same or more power. Yes they will be more efficient, they are hybrids. They are certainly not econoboxes. If I could make the rules, I would allow 4 liter engines, no limit on development except no hydraulic valve gear. I would hope for about 1500 BHP. I would also reduce down force to half or less of current levels, so the drivers have to drive the cars, not just steer them. That's not going to happen. I still expect good racing with Red Bull, Macca and Ferrari up front setting lap records in qualifying and the race.

Lonny
Lonny

Offline Scott

Re: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2011, 08:48:31 AM »
I agree Lonny.  If they change the F1 sound it likely will be just as wicked, but another tone (no way you can get that much horsepower out of a 4 unless it screams).

I would also love to see the cars actually drift the odd corner instead of having to notice it on slo-mo.  Let them go crazy with engines, give them a little front wing and a big rear wing with a cigar shaped body.
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: New gen engines the real high tech says Parr
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2011, 01:54:27 AM »
Yes thank-you. Watch some film of almost any pre-wing era race and see what car control is really all about. I think we would see that Lewis is really good.

Lonny
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