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Author Topic: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke  (Read 4811 times)

Offline Scott

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2012, 10:29:43 PM »
Surely the FIA can mandate state of art fire suppression systems be installed in all pit facilities.

Might dent Bernie's take if the tracks have to provide the equipment...better Bernie have portable systems taken to each race.  Then they would be at the same standard at every race.
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2012, 11:28:37 PM »
Most likely Bernie will obtain the equipment and require that the tracks lease it from him.  ;)
Lonny

Offline Jericoke

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2012, 03:12:31 PM »
Most likely Bernie will obtain the equipment and require that the tracks lease it from him.  ;)

With that kind of logic... I have to wonder what Bernie was doing with that match in the Williams garage...

Offline cosworth151

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2012, 04:02:25 PM »
Well, it was Rosberg's car that got the worst of it. Let's see, was there anybody who was really mad at Nico after the race? Maybe an older German fellow?  ;)
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2012, 01:49:59 AM »
I thought Senna's car was the crispy critter? :confused:
Lonny

Offline John S

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2012, 08:29:30 AM »

And I thought Nico left Williams a couple of years ago.  :tease: 

Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline John S

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2012, 09:23:28 AM »

Whilst there is no official word on what happened in the Williams pit garage James Allen hints that the fuel bowser and KERS in the garage may be linked to the conflagration. The flashover type flames seen at the start of the fire also suggests petrol, or maybe just fuel vapour, being involved at an early stage.

There is no precise word yet as to what caused the fire, but it appears it occurred while the team was emptying the fuel bowser in the back of the garage. There had been suggestions from other team sources that KERS could have been involved but nothing has been confirmed. Williams and the local emergency services are working together to establish the cause.

Senior figures from two teams said that a fresh look at safety procedures would likely follow this incident.

McLaren’s Jonathan Neale said that existing F1 team health and safety procedures involve a full report being filed on the garage set up at every Grand Prix and a list of how hazardous materials are stored. There is a comprehensive book on how to store fuel, for example, and an incident of this kind hasn’t been seen in Formula 1.

But safety is taken very seriously by teams and the FIA and both sides are likely sit to down via the mechanism of the Sporting Working Group, which oversees operational activities, to review safety measures.

Jamesallenonf1.com, Sunday 13th May.


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Offline Ian

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2012, 10:03:58 AM »
Hehe, don't mock Cos, he's just having an oldish moment.  :P
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Offline cosworth151

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2012, 12:55:22 PM »
Hey now, Ian! I've had years of experience being old!  :P
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
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Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2012, 04:04:23 PM »
From a New Scientist blog:

KERS comes under the microscope after F1 blaze
15:45 14 May 2012
New Scientist
Paul Marks, senior technology correspondent

The world of motor racing may have to re-examine its electrical safety rules if it turns out the powerful regenerative batteries of Formula 1's Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) were implicated in a pit lane fire at the Barcelona Grand Prix yesterday.

Bruno Senna's Williams car was withdrawn from the race after it was involved in a collision with Michael Schumacher's Mercedes on the thirteenth lap. After the race, which Williams driver Pastor Maldonado won, Williams' pit lane engineers were 'defuelling' Senna's damaged vehicle by decanting fuel into bowser tanks when a fierce fire broke out. Thirty-one people needed medical treatment after the blaze, with seven of them suffering from minor injuries and smoke inhalation.

While fire services and the FIA, the sport's governing body, are investigating the cause, attention is focusing on whether a short circuit from the KERS battery that sits beneath the fuel tank caused the fire. This battery stores 400 kilojoules of electrical energy (harvested from regenerative braking) that can be dumped into electric motors that provide a speed boost for 6.6 seconds every lap. As a result, KERS has seriously boosted F1's watchability

But the power of the battery has caused problems before, notably in 2008 when a BMW Sauber engineer received a shock from the KERS shorting to the bodywork. So F1 engineers, who have to deal with the system on a day-to-day basis, will be hanging on the results of the Barcelona investigation - not least because, anecdotally at least, KERS is already said to be unpopular and risky.

How safe the high power KERS system is in fuel-stuffed garages matters a great deal. In the 2013/2014 F1 season, F1 plans to boost the KERS energy storage ten times to 4 megajoules to give more speed boosting chances as engine sizes drop from 2.4 litres to a greener 1.6 litres.

This will also allow a controversial new trick: ensuring that the cars only move silently under battery power when in the pitlane in a bid to improve the "road-relevance" of F1 to the development of hybrid street cars. The Barcelona fire investigation may help determine if that greener image is worth the risk of a more powerful KERS.

Offline Scott

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2012, 05:25:24 PM »
Fuel + electricity = disaster.  There are even signs at your friendly neighbourhood gas station on that one. 

Dump KERS.  DRS is working more effectively anyhow.
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline John S

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2012, 08:27:04 PM »

If they dump KERS it will probably improve DRS, at some circuits it's possible to keep a defensive line round most of the lap without using KERS and then unleash it all in one go to defend against the DRS of the car following. Add in that a following car degrades it's tyres quicker and you first get stalemate, then the following car is unable to stay with the car infront; just like Kimi catching but unable to pass Vettel in Bahrain. Maybe it's time to rethink KERS.  :DntKnw:



Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline John S

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2012, 08:35:57 PM »

Seems that static elctricity is now in the frame, rather than KERS, for the Williams blaze.  :o

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/dailyf1news/nieuw/article/17241-Static%20electricity%20may%20have%20caused%20Williams%20fire.html

« Last Edit: May 24, 2012, 08:05:04 PM by John S »
Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline F1fanaticBD

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2012, 11:00:31 AM »
Incidents are very rare, and they will help us to improve, that does not mean we have to dump the KERS. It is a new and very promising technology that needs to harnessed and requires a few more run-downs. It has not spiced up the races yet, I agree, but I am sure people will agree that they have shown promises.
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Offline peterhodge877

Re: Williams Victory Party goes up in smoke
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2012, 05:41:54 PM »
Newest I could come across replied 1 Williams and additionally 1 Caterham technician with relatively minor burns ( nevertheless hurts like hell), and also the rest happened to be smoke inhalation, also not fun, yet not permanent. Online is going to be some kind of in depth investigation as necessary by the regulations.

 


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