Schumacher gets 5 place grid penalty

[F1fanaticBD]

If the car ahead, break early it gives a opportunity to pass the car, if you cannot take this advantage, then tell me, why are you hailed as one of the greatest?

But equally was Senna culpable to penalty. Which clause? Dangerous driving, when you are reaking early, and knowing a guy behind you, you must give yourself certain room, so that the guy following you does not bang your car. Senna should have this judgement as well.

Penalizing MS without any penalty is Senna is harsh. Micheal was fighting for a place, and being crushed out because the guy in-front suddenly realized to break early, and after being crashed out, he is penalized for a racing incident.

[Jericoke]

On the BBC broadcast, Coulthard very bitterly recounted how it's the following car's responsibility to react to early braking of the lead car.

[John S]

On the BBC broadcast, Coulthard very bitterly recounted how it's the following car's responsibility to react to early braking of the lead car.

That's his excuse for taking Schumi out in the rain at the 98 Spa race. 

Brake testing your pursuers is ok in some series, like touring cars - but you run the risk of being bumped out of the way, in open wheel racing it's frowned upon as it's too dangerous to have cars shunted from behind. From his comment David seems to be thinking now with his DTM head rather than his wiser F1 brain.



     

[Dare]

On the BBC broadcast, Coulthard very bitterly recounted how it's the following car's responsibility to react to early braking of the lead car.

That's his excuse for taking Schumi out in the rain at the 98 Spa race. 

Brake testing your pursuers is ok in some series, like touring cars - but you run the risk of being bumped out of the way, in open wheel racing it's frowned upon as it's too dangerous to have cars shunted from behind. From his comment David seems to be thinking now with his DTM head rather than his wiser F1 brain.



     

I don't think there's any luv lost between MS and DC and ever now and
then DC slips up and it shows.

[Dare]

I agree with you all that it looked like Senna made more than one move. Ironically, it looked very much like what Schumi used to do.

When MS weaved back then he was protecting his spot not defending
a car that was over taking like Senna was.

Pastor is making me have 2nd thoughts about Senna!I don't
think he has much a future in F1

[vintly]

I totally admire Schumacher's skills, and his records, they're not in question. But his inability to admit fault in any circumstance, and some of his appalling moves in the past simply leave a nasty taste in my mouth. Can't find anything endearing about him. So regardless of who was at fault, I'm glad Schumacher got a penalty and I hope ill luck befalls his smarmy lopsided face. p*ss off and retire Schumi, you boring annoying git.

[F1fanaticBD]

Bruno & MS taking each other out, I guess it has more to do with their frustration for being beaten by their team-mate almost every time this season. These are two hyped drivers, one being the iconic image of F1, with probably most decorated profile of a formula one driver, and other is the next big thing, bearing a name of past glory, and yet instead keeping upto the hype, they have failed miserably. Both of their teams have won this year, one after almost 55 years and other after 8 years of struggle, general believe was that, these two might have been the winner for respective teams, instead they are making headlines for totally wrong reason.

Yes after watching these two I would certainly agree with people urging Schumacher to retire. If you cannot adapt, you should retire, as simple as that. Yes I am a great fan of yours, but what we have seen in the Barcelona, I am not fan of this irratic, lack of judmental ability Schumacher. And Bruno, being a Senna does not necessarily means that you will be fast. Know what you can, how you can. And if you fail, without much much disgrace to your name give up.

(It heart-wrecking to see such drive from two of my favourites, who kept me exciting during the start of the season.)

[Monty]

Please stop talking as if Senna was to blame.
He was completely innocent unless there is now a rule for driving your car at a slower pace when your tyres are completely finished (in which case half the field should not have been on circuit!).
Face it; Schumacher screwed up. It was an unfortunate accident (that any decent driver could have avoided). It certainly was not Senna's fault in any way (that is why he wasn't penalised).
Have a look at Andrew Benson's article on BBC. It gives a very accurate, expert description of the event.

[F1fanaticBD]

There is no doubt MS screwed up, and yes it ended his race. What is the point to penalize a driver for an unfortunate incident? What is the message they are trying to convey? Did MS drove a reckless drive and gained anything? No. It was a pure racing incident, so why is he penalized?

Stewards are making erratic decisions, and rather than being consistent, they are degrading their integrity much more than the Pirelli tyres.

[vintly]

There is no doubt MS screwed up, and yes it ended his race. What is the point to penalize a driver for an unfortunate incident? What is the message they are trying to convey? Did MS drove a reckless drive and gained anything? No. It was a pure racing incident, so why is he penalized?

Stewards are making erratic decisions, and rather than being consistent, they are degrading their integrity much more than the Pirelli tyres.

It also ended Senna's race, remember? That's why he was penalised. Why anyone thinks it's more complicated than that is beyond me...

[Ian]

  Good old Michael (Marmite)Schumacher.

[F1fanaticBD]

Good old Michael (Marmite)Schumacher.

Touche to that Ian...

[Scott]

Actually, now that Ali has explained the one move rule (that it doesn't apply if there is still enough room to pass, meaning a car in front can wiggle all it wants as long as it doesn't shut the door on either side), I'm quite content with MS getting the penalty.  He really should have been much more careful and if he had chosen one side - either side - to pass Senna before he kissed his rear end, then he wouldn't have been out of the race, and wouldn't have had a penalty.  He didn't, he hesitated and then left his decision WAY too late to do anything about it.  

I think with the new qualifying, there should be a different way of applying grid penalties, and would make it more like sitting in the corner for punished drivers.  If there is a penalty from a previous race that needs to be applied, simply DQ them from Q3, no matter how high they get.  That way they can do away with silly penalties for backmarkers that simply move them one or two places from 2nd last to last, while at the same time taking front runners off the TV set for 10min on Saturdays.  Just an idea, but I like it better than a simple grid penalty.

[John S]

Just had a thought, aren't the stewards asking for trouble moving Michael back 5 places since he has such trouble overtaking others? 

Surely in deference to his age, failing reflexes and eyesight, they should promote him 5 places to minimize the damage he can do and let all the young guns enjoy getting past the multi world champ at each race.   

[lkjohnson1950]