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Author Topic: Hispania Up For Sale  (Read 6965 times)

Offline Ian

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2012, 09:21:18 PM »
McLaren have been outperforming Mercedes, but Mercedes are still there.
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Offline Irisado

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2012, 09:24:15 PM »
McLaren have been outperforming Mercedes, but Mercedes are still there.

That's engine supply, not chassis supply, so that's a different kettle of fish altogether.  Customer engine deals actually help the midfield and smaller teams; whereas hand me down chassis cause more problems than they solve.
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Offline Ian

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2012, 09:26:56 PM »
 :P  :tease:
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Offline John S

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2012, 11:20:05 PM »
McLaren have been outperforming Mercedes, but Mercedes are still there.

That's engine supply, not chassis supply, so that's a different kettle of fish altogether.  Customer engine deals actually help the midfield and smaller teams; whereas hand me down chassis cause more problems than they solve.

Like allowing Vettel to shine in a Torro Rosso whilst all since have struggled you mean.  ;) :D

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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2012, 11:26:45 PM »
As long as it doesn't end up like the last Dallara (which was supposed to be the first Midland car in 2006, before Colin Kolles fell out with Dallara)...
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2012, 02:52:41 AM »
F1 had a long history of customer teams. Cooper sold cars to a number of drivers. Maserati and Alfa sold to privateers. Famously, Rob Walker entered Lotus cars built and maintained by the factory for Seppi Siffert, Graham Hill and Sterling Moss. Had Moss not crashed, Walker would have had Ferraris for Moss the next season.
Lonny

Offline Jericoke

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2012, 03:15:59 PM »
F1 had a long history of customer teams. Cooper sold cars to a number of drivers. Maserati and Alfa sold to privateers. Famously, Rob Walker entered Lotus cars built and maintained by the factory for Seppi Siffert, Graham Hill and Sterling Moss. Had Moss not crashed, Walker would have had Ferraris for Moss the next season.

That's certainly true, however, a modern F1 car is about sensitive aerodynamics that are updated throughout the season.  No longer can a team show up with a three year old chassis, a rebuilt engine, a daring driver and hope to compete.

I'd love to see customer chassis, but I don't see how a customer team can possibly be competitive when the big teams are working with their own designs throughout the season.

(I'd suggest freezing the aero devleopment, but then the cars would be locked in as 'good' or 'bad' from day 1.  Where's the fun in that?  Further, the FIA contineus to try and make the rules so that aero matters less, yet the designers keep pulling out tricks that make aero matter more.)

Offline F1fanaticBD

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2012, 06:25:34 PM »
I think teams should be encouraged to be very distinguished and competitive, to attain that, new teams should have certain guidelines and measures by FIA, so that the HRT story does not repeat again. But I guess people like Bernie does not share my philosophy and he seems to be the ultimate man to decide about these matters.
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2012, 02:22:42 AM »
You can denigrate HRT as not competitive or even not worthy to be on the grid, but they started from scratch and even while occupying the back row, closed the gap to the front runners a little each year on about 10% of the budget. Those guys were racers and I applaud their efforts.
Lonny

Offline John S

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2012, 10:12:15 AM »
You can denigrate HRT as not competitive or even not worthy to be on the grid, but they started from scratch and even while occupying the back row, closed the gap to the front runners a little each year on about 10% of the budget. Those guys were racers and I applaud their efforts.

That's the story in a nutshell, Lonny.  :good:

Now if a team could regularly get on the podium on just 10% of the front runners budget it would call into question the whole operation of F1.

It requires money to be successful in nearly all motorsport; the most money doesn't always guarantee the top spot - but it sure helps.  ;)

Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline F1fanaticBD

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2012, 10:44:51 AM »
You can denigrate HRT as not competitive or even not worthy to be on the grid, but they started from scratch and even while occupying the back row, closed the gap to the front runners a little each year on about 10% of the budget. Those guys were racers and I applaud their efforts.

That is why I am a bit hurt to see them go, and also bitter at the management for not paying the mechanics their due..
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Offline Irisado

Re: Hispania Up For Sale
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2012, 09:54:13 PM »
Like allowing Vettel to shine in a Torro Rosso whilst all since have struggled you mean.  ;) :D

In all seriousness though, that's a fair point.  Vettel benefited from a customer car, and everyone went delirious over his win at Monza in 2008.  Would he have won driving a chassis produced by the team, or a genuine customer chassis?

Anyway, back to Hispania, and I have to say that we need to look at this more broadly.  If you look at Hispania's performance, they are nowhere near being classed as a bad Formula 1 team.  They finished races, weren't always last (they beat Marussia/Virgin on merit on a number of occasions, and finished ahead of them in the constructors' championship twice), and performed miracles just to get through three seasons.

We haven't seen any genuinely disastrous, and ill conceived Formula 1 projects that actually made the entry list since the 1997 Lola fiasco, so let's not be harsh.  Had the budget cap been implemented, and had the team not been run by a bank with no interest in Formula 1, then the future could have been a lot brighter.
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