Vettel wins Webber doesn't

[Dare]

Why stay at Red Bull to have a seat in a winning car if your not
allowed to win.Any of the remaining first tier teams would have been
a better option for Mark.

[vintly]

Why stay at Red Bull to have a seat in a winning car if your not
allowed to win.Any of the remaining first tier teams would have been
a better option for Mark.

Would he have been able to win at Ferrari??

[Dare]

Why stay at Red Bull to have a seat in a winning car if your not
allowed to win.Any of the remaining first tier teams would have been
a better option for Mark.

Would he have been able to win at Ferrari??

Probably not but at Mclaren and Lotus yes.He may have
gotten a occasionally win at Ferrari and would have
fulfilled most drivers secrets desire to drive in that red car

[Jericoke]

Why stay at Red Bull to have a seat in a winning car if your not
allowed to win.Any of the remaining first tier teams would have been
a better option for Mark.

Would he have been able to win at Ferrari??

Probably not but at Mclaren and Lotus yes.He may have
gotten a occasionally win at Ferrari and would have
fulfilled most drivers secrets desire to drive in that red car

I think Kimi and Mark would make an excellent pair for Enstone!  Neither is afraid to mince words, and I think that Lotus is in a phase that if the drivers want to mix it up a little, they'd let them.  (How else to explain Grosjean remaining with the team?)

[Alonsofan]

I'd love to see him in the same car as Alonso or Hamilton so they could teach him a few lessons. Red Bull have a real problem on their hands as they have no control over their driver and no way of controlling him either. Basically it means that whatever Vettel wants Vettel will get. Mark should have went to Ferrari!

I think Fernando and Hamilton would both show Vettel a thing or two in an equal setting. Lewis even managed it on Top Gear I know he wouldn't but would love to see Fernando go round and beat them both

[Monty]

I am afraid that Vettel really has decided to be the next Michael Schumacher. The problems are, I do not think he is actually the best driver out there (he has simply had the best car) and he hasn't earned any respect from peers or public which means he is rapidly making himself universally unpopular. This could hurt him in the PR stakes in the future and he might find that he loses support from sponsors and his employer.

[Jericoke]

I am afraid that Vettel really has decided to be the next Michael Schumacher. The problems are, I do not think he is actually the best driver out there (he has simply had the best car) and he hasn't earned any respect from peers or public which means he is rapidly making himself universally unpopular. This could hurt him in the PR stakes in the future and he might find that he loses support from sponsors and his employer.

And why not?  Schumi was probably his hero growing up!  We don't get a lot of F1 gossip in Canada, but as near as I can tell, Michael Schumacher has all the money he'll ever need.  A loving, stable family, dream place to live, celebrity status when he wishes it, and quiet solitude when he needs it.

Who wouldn't want to follow in Schumacher's path?

I'm willing to bet that most of Schumi's rivals have even learned to forgive him.  (Obviously not DC though)

[Dare]

I am afraid that Vettel really has decided to be the next Michael Schumacher. The problems are, I do not think he is actually the best driver out there (he has simply had the best car) and he hasn't earned any respect from peers or public which means he is rapidly making himself universally unpopular. This could hurt him in the PR stakes in the future and he might find that he loses support from sponsors and his employer.

And why not?  Schumi was probably his hero growing up!  We don't get a lot of F1 gossip in Canada, but as near as I can tell, Michael Schumacher has all the money he'll ever need.  A loving, stable family, dream place to live, celebrity status when he wishes it, and quiet solitude when he needs it.

Who wouldn't want to follow in Schumacher's path?

I'm willing to bet that most of Schumi's rivals have even learned to forgive him.  (Obviously not DC though)

I think deep down Jeri that Monty sheds a tear or two
at the start of race when seeing that Michael is no longer
driving.

If MS wants solitude all he has to do is come to the US aand
probably any other F1 driver as well

[John S]

Why should he be expected to pull back when he has the opportunity to win?

Scott has beaten me to it, yours and 99% of everyone elses default assumption is that if they had pushed hard to the end then Vettel would have won, when in fact Mark had Vettel's measure for the majority of the race and more than likely would have maintained that to the end.  Vettel had already tried to get the team to get Mark to let him past, why? because he couldn't get past on merit. Everyone makes it sound like Vettel was the only one being held back by the team.

I can't possibly see how you can claim we all assume Vettel would win in a free for all.  Most of us who don't see it as all bad that Vettel made the move would simply like to see a proper fight for the position, we did get a bit of wheel to wheel excitement but it could have been a better spectacle if they were free to race each other.

[Scott]

One engine tuned down vs the other at full power isn't a proper fight for position.  The point I made wasn't that I wouldn't have rather seen them battle to the end, but if the team decided it was better to bring home a 1-2, it wasn't Vettel's place, or job, to counter that order.  He isn't team principal and should remember he's an employee.  Coulthard pointed out as much in his take on it.

[Ian]

Vettel's not good enough to be the next Schumi monty. 

[Cam]

Most of us who don't see it as all bad that Vettel made the move would simply like to see a proper fight for the position.

We did see a proper fight for position.  What do you think Webber was doing going from fifth to second at the start, staying out on intermediates for an extra two laps to get past Vettel, backing Vettel up so Hamilton could get past him (which worked), lapping immediately 0.3s faster when Vettel started whining.

As for what Vettel did being "not that bad", in a sporting sense I have never seen a bigger "f&^%k you" to ones team.  I think he's blotted his copybook irreparably, it may seem ok to the the fans, but I would imaging the entire pitlane (let alone the hand tha feeds him)  will be looking sideways at him for the rest of his career.

[Dare]

I am afraid that Vettel really has decided to be the next Michael Schumacher. The problems are, I do not think he is actually the best driver out there (he has simply had the best car) and he hasn't earned any respect from peers or public which means he is rapidly making himself universally unpopular. This could hurt him in the PR stakes in the future and he might find that he loses support from sponsors and his employer.

Next Schumi?no way.Schumi had class which is something
Vettel doesn't nor never willhave

[lkjohnson1950]

Never observed any class in Schumi on the track. Away from the track sure but so does Vettel. The team has control of the ECU, so all they have to do is dial him down. If his max HP is less than Mark's from the git go let's see him win. As I said before, 3 time WDC or not I'd tell him if it happened again, he'd watch the next race from home. He is, in the end, an employee.

[stealthhaggis]

Never observed any class in Schumi on the track. Away from the track sure but so does Vettel. The team has control of the ECU, so all they have to do is dial him down. If his max HP is less than Mark's from the git go let's see him win. As I said before, 3 time WDC or not I'd tell him if it happened again, he'd watch the next race from home. He is, in the end, an employee.

I agree although if it was me I'd ban him for the next race. It's not the first time he has disobeyed team orders and done whatever he liked. If they do not show support for their other driver and the teams viewpoint he will know he can get away with it with a simple 'Oops I'm sorry, honest' every time!