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Author Topic: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship  (Read 5767 times)

Offline cosworth151

Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2014, 03:52:01 PM »
I'm not too sure about that, Monty. Sometimes, the actions of F1 management is enough to drive one to drink!  :confused:

Seriously, I used to be in favor of smoking bans. Now that the same people are going after everything from french fries to soda pop I've had to rethink that idea. Good or ill, they really have no business restricting the lawful use (or advertising) of lawful products.
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Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2014, 08:00:58 PM »
Don't see what all the fuss is about - you can see why they want to ban alcohol advertising even if you don't agree with it, and seeing as the type of advert on a car doesn't have any bearing on how fast it is, why does anyone care?

Offline cosworth151

Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2014, 08:10:30 PM »
Having the advert has a big effect on how much money the team has. How much money the team has has a huge effect on how fast the car is.
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Offline Scott

Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2014, 08:37:36 PM »
The last thing F1 needs right now is to lose more sponsors.  Currently we have:

RBR - Singha Beer
Mclaren - Johnny Walker
Williams - Martini
Force India - Kingfisher Beer and Smirnoff
Sauber - Suervo Tequila
Ferrari - Phillip Morris...oh shoot, that's tobacco.  I thought tobacco was long banned for advertising.  They are actually listed on Ferrari's website as an official 'sponsor'.  |-( |-(

If Coke, McDonalds and Apple are waiting in the wings to jump into F1 once alcohol gets the boot, then by all means, but somehow I think if we lose alcohol, there will be little to fill those gaps. 
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Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2014, 10:10:53 PM »
Having the advert has a big effect on how much money the team has. How much money the team has has a huge effect on how fast the car is.

Regs have more effect than money - the fastest lap times were in 2004 if I'm not mistaken, and that wasn't because there were more sponsors from the alcohol industry.

Not saying I'm FOR losing alcohol sponsors, just don't think it makes much difference.

Besides, sponsors will follow the fans. Fans will follow the action. Make the action better through sensible regulations decisions and track choices and it doesn't matter what industry the sponsors come from, they'll be knocking at the door.

Offline cosworth151

Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2014, 12:15:39 PM »
In 2004 it was because of tobacco money. The sport still hasn't completely recovered from loosing that. Loosing another major class of sponsorship will make things even worse.

Between sponsorship prudishness and mini-motors, political correctness will be the death of F1.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2014, 03:13:52 PM »
In 2004 it was because of tobacco money. The sport still hasn't completely recovered from loosing that. Loosing another major class of sponsorship will make things even worse.

Between sponsorship prudishness and mini-motors, political correctness will be the death of F1.

Indeed, all the historical 'Big' teams are that way precisely because of tobacco sponsorhip.  The Marlboro McLaren paint job was iconic of racing in the 80s.  Without Marlboro, I doubt McLaren would still be on the grid.  Same for Williams and Rothman's.  Mercedes was FOUNDED as a cigarette ad.  British American only sold out to Honda when they weren't allowed to paint their names on the car.

The sport still hasn't recovered from having lost tobacco cash to throw around.

The exception is RBR, which started as Stewart GP, and Stewart's refusal to take the easy money from tobacco.  Always leave it to Sir Jackie to be ahead of the curve on what F1 should do.

Offline Scott

Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2014, 04:31:58 PM »
I don't think even with Ferrari's or Fiat's vast resources that they could have justified the salaries of Schumacher and now Alonso without Phillip Morris footing the bill.
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Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2014, 09:50:05 PM »
 Ok, ok, you got me.

I assume you're up for bringing back bear-baiting too?  ;)

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Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2014, 11:18:17 PM »
Ok, ok, you got me.

I assume you're up for bringing back bear-baiting too?  ;)

I thought that's just what the louder noise brigade have been doing to grizzly old Todt.  :D

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Offline Irisado

Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2014, 03:23:43 PM »
I'm undecided as to whether this is a good idea.  I see their point, but I also see the point about the fact that so many other things are bad for you too.  That said, the don't drink and drive message is an important one, so perhaps the best thing to do is to have that as part of the sponsorship logo, after all Formula 1 drivers don't have alcohol in their drinks bottles ;).

I disagree with this whole 'nanny state' and 'socialist' rhetoric though.  So many people are so irresponsible that I don't blame the state for wanting to intervene.  Furthermore, Labour is hardly a socialist party any more, so to refer to them as such is incorrect.
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Offline Ian

Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2014, 05:41:58 PM »
We DO live in a nanny state, the vast majority of us are sensible drinkers (no laughing Dare and Scott etc) and I am sick and tired of being told not to drink more than 3 or 4 units when you can read about MP's getting drunk on cheap beer and causing grief in the House of Commons bar. They ARE a load of hypocrites.
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Offline Irisado

Re: F1 facing ban on alcohol sponsorship
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2014, 12:21:09 AM »
Yes, some of them are hypocrites, I agree, but they're not all like that.  By tarnishing them all with the same brush, you're doing to them exactly what you're accusing them of doing to you ;).
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