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Did Nico put it in the escape road on purpose?

Yes, he pulled a Schumi at Rascasse
No, he just overran the corner.

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Offline cosworth151

Nico's in the Escape Road
« on: May 24, 2014, 02:41:58 PM »
Well, what do you think? Did Nico park it intentionally to bring out a caution an ruin Hamilton's last hot lap, or did he just overcook it a bit into the corner?


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Offline Warmwater

Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2014, 03:00:29 PM »
I know how Hamilton would vote  |-(
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Offline Scott

Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2014, 05:01:36 PM »
I don't think he had time to plan that one, and on the in-car, he obviously planned to make the corner, but just at the last second hesitated and decided not to wreck the car because he missed his apex and had overcooked the corner.

I think he just messed up, and the stewards shouldn't have thrown the yellow as he was down the escape road and wasn't really a danger to the other cars on track.

Schumacher's was far more blatant... >:D

Still screwed my pole pick though.  I actually had Rosberg, but changed it to Hamilton this morning.   :fool: :fool:
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Offline F1fanaticBD

Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2014, 05:52:48 PM »
It seems genuine to me, and by any chance if anybody can prove that he faked it, can you please hand him the Oscar, because nobody can fake this good
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Offline Irisado

Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2014, 12:24:24 AM »
I think that it was a genuine mistake too.  It was nothing like Schumacher's cheap parking stunt of 2006.  Rosberg went so far up the escape road that he may have thought that there wasn't going to be a yellow flag, and he was initially looking for reverse gear, so he wanted to get moving again.  The team probably told him over the radio that there was no time for another lap, which explains why he became far less hurried.
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2014, 04:02:57 PM »
The way he kept locking up there during the race shows he was having difficulties all weekend.
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Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2014, 08:43:56 AM »
Speaking as someone with a little experience of driving single seaters (although they were steam powered back then) he absolutely parked it on purpose.
These guys can think and plan while travelling at 200mph, everything at Monaco is almost slow motion to them so deciding to park your car would not need any major brain power.
Rosberg knew that the lap he was on was slower than his previous lap.
He pushed too hard into the corner knew he would miss the apex. Therefore, he deliberately unsettled the car by putting far too much energy into the steering wheel and then safely put it down the escape road. He even had the foresight to make sure he reversed the car into a dangerous position to be sure of a yellow flag. Although he had missed the apex and would lose time, he could have braked harder and still taken the corner easily. Of course it could be argued that he didn't want to flat spot the tyres but there is still no answer as to why he was moving the steering wheel so much. It is an absolute given that any movement of the wheel under heavy breaking is minor and smooth so that the car slows quickly and the suspension is evenly loaded to give maximum grip in the corner. Impossible to prove and of course not a blatant act like Schumacher but Nico was guilty, Hamilton knew it and I think Nico's comments and body language said he knew that Hamilton knew; and he didn't care.

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Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2014, 09:45:56 AM »
Speaking as someone with a little experience of driving single seaters (although they were steam powered back then) he absolutely parked it on purpose.
These guys can think and plan while travelling at 200mph, everything at Monaco is almost slow motion to them so deciding to park your car would not need any major brain power.
Rosberg knew that the lap he was on was slower than his previous lap.
He pushed too hard into the corner knew he would miss the apex. Therefore, he deliberately unsettled the car by putting far too much energy into the steering wheel and then safely put it down the escape road. He even had the foresight to make sure he reversed the car into a dangerous position to be sure of a yellow flag. Although he had missed the apex and would lose time, he could have braked harder and still taken the corner easily. Of course it could be argued that he didn't want to flat spot the tyres but there is still no answer as to why he was moving the steering wheel so much. It is an absolute given that any movement of the wheel under heavy breaking is minor and smooth so that the car slows quickly and the suspension is evenly loaded to give maximum grip in the corner. Impossible to prove and of course not a blatant act like Schumacher but Nico was guilty, Hamilton knew it and I think Nico's comments and body language said he knew that Hamilton knew; and he didn't care.

Speaking as someone with zero experience of driving single-seaters, I very much appreciated reading your post.

Rosberg is very, very sharp-minded, and I think he demonstrates this most in how he handles himself in times of stress. He managed that situation extremely cleverly in my view, and his ability to let Hammy's angst fall off his back is impressive. A cheap trick, one that I don't condone, but executed to perfection.

Offline Scott

Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2014, 01:17:43 PM »
If you're right Monty (and I have to consider that you are, if most from the driver community are also agreeing), then really, he did it brilliantly and other drivers should really pay attention to how well he did it.

Even so, going back to that Q3 in question, I still don't care if Hamilton whines about that, because he had every opportunity to have put his Merc ahead of Rosberg on the previous lap (like Rosberg put his ahead of Hamilton). 
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Offline Scott

Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2014, 04:03:44 PM »
Charlie has an idea to stop this sort of thing...when a yellow is thrown in the last 3min of Qualifying, he will extend Qualifying for another minute to allow drivers to try again.

http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/f1-charlie-whiting-moves-to-stop-monaco-style-qualifying-sagas?artid=168006

Seems like not a bad idea.  Or simply red flag any incident in the last 3 minutes and resume Q once the incident has been tidied up.
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Offline Ian

Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2014, 04:38:14 PM »
Darn good idea I think, well done Charlie.  :good:
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Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2014, 08:10:35 PM »
Charlie has an idea to stop this sort of thing...when a yellow is thrown in the last 3min of Qualifying, he will extend Qualifying for another minute to allow drivers to try again.

http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/f1-charlie-whiting-moves-to-stop-monaco-style-qualifying-sagas?artid=168006

Seems like not a bad idea.  Or simply red flag any incident in the last 3 minutes and resume Q once the incident has been tidied up.

Or make it simple:  if your car doesn't make it back to the pits, you're in last place for the session (unless you are the victim of another driver's crash). 

That covers driver errors, that covers the team screwing up.  It puts an edge into qualifying:  clipping the wall doesn't just spoil your lap, it can spoil a great lap time already 'banked'.

We still might get gamesmanship where a teammate takes the penalty to help in a WDC hunt, but we all know that every F1 rule is bent like an Adrian Newey front wing anyway.

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Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2014, 08:41:54 AM »
I think Charlie's and Jeri's ideas both have merit.
The problem with Charlie's idea is that time isn't the only problem. At most tracks if you are over a third of the way through a fast lap you will already have killed your tyres and will therefore not be able to do a really quick lap in the additional time.
Although Jeri's idea is harsh on anyone that pushes just a bit too hard or has a mechanical failure it would be consistent for everyone and would certainly stop the most blatant 'park the bus' type tactics.

Offline cosworth151

Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2014, 01:36:17 PM »
I like Charlie's idea, too. I also agree with Monty about tires. As closely as the teams calculate quali runs, it might even be the case that they wouldn't have sufficient fuel for another flying lap.

I don't think pulling to the back of the escape road would have changed things. That runoff is so small that I think it is standard procedure to show yellows if there is a car anywhere in it.
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Offline Irisado

Re: Nico's in the Escape Road
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2014, 08:49:36 PM »
Or maybe, just maybe, Hamilton ought to have worked more closely with his engineer to make sure he was the first out of the pits for his second run to get the jump on Rosberg, and then he wouldn't have had his lap compromised ;).

I don't agree with artificially tinkering with qualifying.  Such incidents happen so rarely that it's not worth the hassle.  If someone goes off or crashes at the end of qualifying and ruins the climax, that's just the luck of the draw.
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