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Author Topic: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP  (Read 9811 times)

Offline Scott

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2014, 09:20:35 PM »
That was really terrifying.  It is testimonial to the safety of a modern F1 car that he is alive at all.

Somewhere I read the car was going about 120mph when it hit the tractor.  I came across a youtube video that was full of still shots, but one was quite a closeup of the car itself.  I took this screenshot of it.  Warning...Jules is still inside the car.  There is nothing graphic, but it's unbelievable the damage to the car.  The engine box is just sheared off. 

Like everybody has said, this really shouldn't have happened. 

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Offline cosworth151

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2014, 01:18:37 AM »
I just read that he is now being listed as "critical but stable."

It's hard to believe how it literally tossed the tractor like it was a toy.

I agree that there is no way that should have happened. I realize that the FIA people in charge didn't want to finish the race under a safety car. That doesn't justify putting the drivers in that kind of jeopardy. The combination of poor visibility and slick track should have brought out a red flag while the snatch tractor was operating in that area. It would have prevented both the "finish under caution" and the most horrific crash we've seen in F1 in a generation or more.

Forza Jules.
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Offline Andy B

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2014, 06:30:16 AM »
Cranes are the way to go tractors are a bigger risk using a crane there would have been nothing there.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2014, 03:08:41 PM »
That was really terrifying.  It is testimonial to the safety of a modern F1 car that he is alive at all.

Somewhere I read the car was going about 120mph when it hit the tractor.  I came across a youtube video that was full of still shots, but one was quite a closeup of the car itself.  I took this screenshot of it.  Warning...Jules is still inside the car.  There is nothing graphic, but it's unbelievable the damage to the car.  The engine box is just sheared off. 

Like everybody has said, this really shouldn't have happened.

It's absolutely amazing that the back end of the tractor appears to be designed to target the heads of F1 drivers.

With all the work that the FIA has done to create safe cars (aardvark noses), if they're going to put equipment on the track, it should be compatible with the safety features of the cars.

Offline Scott

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2014, 03:35:22 PM »
The type of injury has been disclosed by Bianchi's family.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116205

One thing about seeing the picture of Bianchi still in the car was to see that his helmet appeared intact, which again, is a remarkable testament to the safety of today's equipment.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2014, 06:04:21 PM »
The type of injury has been disclosed by Bianchi's family.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116205

One thing about seeing the picture of Bianchi still in the car was to see that his helmet appeared intact, which again, is a remarkable testament to the safety of today's equipment.

Many years ago Christian Fittipaldi* crashed into a barrier at an Indy Car race.  All the sensors in the car indicated a 100g crash that he should have killed him instantly, according to the latest research at the time.  While he suffered a severe concussion, he obviously wasn't killed.  Instead, the amount of technical data available, and high level of medical analysis offered elite athletes helped research into concussions and g forces make a quantum leap forward.

Obviously I hope Bianchi makes a full recovery, but I'm also looking forward to information from the crash, injury and treatment providing another quantum leap into understanding head injuries.

*I'm not 100% sure it was Christian, my point was the crash and the data collection.

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2014, 07:47:21 PM »
A second video and commentary at Autoweek.

http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/fia-battles-social-media-remove-julies-bianchi-crash-video

According to Wikipedia, 90% of people with his injury never regain consciousness. Let's pray he is in the 10%.
Lonny

Offline J.Clark

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2014, 01:57:09 PM »
Taking this quote from the commentary, I would agree that the green flag being waved by the tower marshal, while "technically" not incorrect, is definitely the wrong signal to display.  Assuming Bianchi had slowed for the yellow (double yellow according to some reports), he would have been back  on the gas seeing the green, which could well have been the cause of his loss of control.
"One of the thousands to watch the video is Prost himself, who said he was alarmed to see that a marshal right next to the incident was waving a green flag.

"It should have been at least a hundred meters away," Prost said.

Indeed, the green flag being waved from the marshal tower just after the incident scene is causing a great deal of controversy after the amateur footage emerged. But former driver Emanuele Pirro, who also serves as a driver steward for the FIA, says that it is "perfectly regular" for green flags to be waving at the very next marshal post after a caution zone -- even if this is just a meter away."


Perhaps the most interesting thing I noticed in a section of this video moments after this footage stops, another track worker climbs the ladder to the tower, the tower marshal switches back to the yellow and holds out the sign "SC".  This would seem to indicate that Bianchi's crash may well have come before the Safety Car was dispatched.  If this be the case, what in Heaven's name was that heavy equipment doing out there removing Sutil's car?
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Offline Scott

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2014, 03:39:27 PM »
...what in Heaven's name was that heavy equipment doing out there removing Sutil's car?

That's exactly the problem.  The SC was NOT deployed before the Bianchi crash.  It was deployed AFTER.  That is clear simply by the fact that the SC gives way to the medical car as they are leaving the pit lane - the medical car had already been called for Bianchi before the SC was deployed.

I really don't get what all the discussion is about.  The FIA (Charlie Whiting) made a tragic error, miscalculation, decision, mistake...call it whatever you like, but if he held off the tractor until the SC could safely pick up and slow down the cars, then Bianchi would not be hurt.
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Offline Scott

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2014, 05:02:00 PM »
Latest Bianchi summary including statement from his family.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29521187
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2014, 12:27:30 AM »
I had questions about just what his injury is and what the outcome may be.  I found this article.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/what-diffuse-axonal-injury-what-4401516
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Offline Willy

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2014, 02:49:03 PM »
Two thoughts:
I agree with Scott that this lays directly at Charlie's feet. He should have brought out the SC as soon as Sutil went off. Or stopped the race. Way too much water on the track for a safe race situation.

There should be no vehicles other then SC or Medical cars on the track at all during a race. All cranes to remove vehicles should be placed behind guardrails and have long enough reach to get stricken cars. It can be done. It just requires more cranes and better placement. Even under SC speeds and in wet conditions the cars are traveling fast enough to hydroplane and spin out. Hydroplaning can occur at any speed over 70 KM.

Offline Jericoke

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2014, 06:04:58 PM »
Two thoughts:
I agree with Scott that this lays directly at Charlie's feet. He should have brought out the SC as soon as Sutil went off. Or stopped the race. Way too much water on the track for a safe race situation.

There should be no vehicles other then SC or Medical cars on the track at all during a race. All cranes to remove vehicles should be placed behind guardrails and have long enough reach to get stricken cars. It can be done. It just requires more cranes and better placement. Even under SC speeds and in wet conditions the cars are traveling fast enough to hydroplane and spin out. Hydroplaning can occur at any speed over 70 KM.

I think that SC would have been enough, stopping the race would have been premature (I don't know what the weather conditions were, if there was a chance of it passing or not)

I'd like to think generous crane placement would solve the problem, but given the slim margins that the promoters claim to be taking, there isn't room to spend money on heavy equipment that stays safely behind the barrier walls.  Making this a requirement will see many 'classic' venues decide hosting an F1 race isn't worth while.  As such, I go back to my idea for the FIA to provide, at their cost, adequate equipment as part of the travelling F1 circus.  The only reason the FIA is part of F1 is to ensure that F1 is safe.  Anytime F1 isn't safe, that's the FIA's responsibility.  Period

Offline Scott

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2014, 09:02:21 PM »
If the FIA is serious about safety, then they would include the crane rental and any other safety expenses - take them directly out of the race fees.  If Bernie won't cough it up, shame him into it. 
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Offline cosworth151

Re: Bianchi Crash Japanese GP
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2014, 10:26:27 PM »
I wonder how many street circuits might not be able to use cranes due to overhead power lines and such.
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