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Author Topic: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain  (Read 5246 times)

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2015, 10:44:37 AM »
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  • 4 teams gave a limited itemisation of costs as an average (Force India, Sauber, Caterham and Marussia/Manor), though car build was separated into different parts and in some cases combined with R&D (which wouldn't change for the number of cars).

    I will halve the power system, tyres, freight and fuel/fluids cost (they were all customer teams).

    I will take 2/5 off the chassis production costs. This is because small teams typically have 5 chassis (except if they have a crash magnet driving for them), including one crash test/general test car and 2 chassis per "race car" per season.

    I will take 1/3 off gearbox/hydraulics (they have some R&D costs to meet because they typically design their hydraulic systems but not the gearboxes).

    I will take 1/4 off electronics (these are mostly designed in-house, meaning R&D's basically the same no matter how many cars are involved, and I'm generously guessing production cost).

    Salaries will be cut by 1/25 because the only staff likely to be able to be released would be the secondary pit crew (12 out of a minimum of 200 staff) and even that's not clear because everyone on the F1 travelling team does at least two jobs - their weekend one and their set-up/take-down one.

    Travel and trackside facilities will be unchanged because the costs are essentially fixed by the travel team count and FIA fees. Windtunnel/CFD fees are R&D and also unchanged. IT, utilities/factory maintenance, HR and professional services are tied into the size of staff and facility, plus fixed fees because it's an F1 team, so don't change either.

    This converts the figures to a hypothetical one-car team cost of:

    Hybrid power system $14 million
    Gearbox and hydraulics $3.67 million
    Fuel and lubricants $0.75 million
    Tires $0.9 million
    Electronics $1.53 million
    IT $3 million
    Salaries $19.2 million
    Travel and trackside facilities $12 million
    Chassis production/manufacturing $10 million
    Wind tunnel/CFD facilities $18.5 million
    Utilities and factory maintenance $2 million
    HR and professional services $1.5 million
    Freight $2.5 million
    TOTAL $89.55 million

    You can make the costs reduce by a third by having a one-car team... ...but the most you could possibly get would be three-quarters the amount a two-car team gets (50% of general team payments are on championship position, the other 50% on individual results... ...for which two cars' positions are counted). A team unable to get into the top 10 would be limited to 50% of what a two-car team could get.

    Add to that the fact that pay drivers are a major income item, meaning you'd lose a significant income stream if only using one car, and that non-trade sponsors are likelt to pay half as much for space on a one-car team, and the equation falls over very, very quickly.

    Three-car team permissions for the back half of the grid (with all 3 cars allowed to score championship points) would probably work better.
    Percussus resurgio
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    Offline Scott

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #16 on: March 10, 2015, 07:40:15 AM »
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  • Roberto Merhi To partner Will Stevens in the Manor.  Nice to see they ave the full lineup.

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    Offline John S

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #17 on: March 10, 2015, 09:50:33 AM »
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  • At last we have the full grid of 20 drivers, well 21 if you count Alonso.  :yahoo: Now let's get racing.

    Can't remember the last time we waited this long to know the full grid for the opening race, not sure if it's improved the run in to the first race  - or if it's just plain embarrassing for the pinnacle of motorsport.  :DntKnw:

     
    Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

    Offline Jericoke

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #18 on: March 10, 2015, 02:30:02 PM »
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  • At last we have the full grid of 20 drivers, well 21 if you count Alonso.  :yahoo: Now let's get racing.

    Can't remember the last time we waited this long to know the full grid for the opening race, not sure if it's improved the run in to the first race  - or if it's just plain embarrassing for the pinnacle of motorsport.  :DntKnw:

     

    Didn't we wait this long to find out if Brawn could race?

    Offline John S

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #19 on: March 10, 2015, 03:28:38 PM »
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  • Didn't we wait this long to find out if Brawn could race?

    I know it seems it was as close, but Brawn was confirmed with it's driver line up 2 weeks before the actual race, more if you count the days before waiting for FIA confirmations. 
    The eleventh hour Manor scramble to get cars crash tested & ready to ship, or the 6 days from race start for the driver confirmation, is still a modern record I think.

    Others in the past have made hard work of getting to the first race, some have missed the race entirely, but apart from Brawn & Manor their entries for the F1 season were registered well before hand; - or not in the case of Phoenix finance buyers of defunct Prost team in 2002, they simply had trouble convincing the FIA to let them race without paying the $48m bond as they were declared a new team. 

     
    « Last Edit: March 10, 2015, 03:30:26 PM by John S »
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    Offline Irisado

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #20 on: March 13, 2015, 11:31:27 AM »
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  • Minardi was very late onto the grid for the start of the 2001 season.  Paul Stoddart taking the team over just in time.  Alonso was nominated quite early on, but I'm pretty sure the second driver (Marques) was not confirmed until a few days before Melbourne.

    Mehri is apparently only contracted to participate in the first few races, so he may not drive for the whole season.
    Soņando con una playa donde brilla el sol, un arco iris ilumina el cielo, y el mar espejea iridescentemente

    Offline Alianora La Canta

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #21 on: March 13, 2015, 01:37:43 PM »
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  • Brawn actually managed to make it to a whole test (where it spent the week being accused of running on fumes or running an illegally light car, such was its pace). Even Force India was later off the marks than Brawn in terms of preparation, let alone Manor! That said, 2009 started relatively late, and the final test of the 2009 season was the second week of March. (The first race of 2009 was the absurdly late date of March 29th).

    Manor would have been this late when it was Virgin in 2010 (as were all the other new teams) and Hispania were habitually late in their three years. Minardi did indeed do a 50 km shakedown. (Oh, and let's not forget the comical instance of Stefan GP, who took their entire kit and caboodle to Bahrain 2010 despite not being on the relevant entry list).

    Merhi has a Formula 3.5 contract and would need to be bought out of it to race beyond the first four flyaways. I imagine the amount would be fairly low if Robert proved to be someone with whom Manor wanted a longer-term relationship.
    Percussus resurgio
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    Offline Irisado

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #22 on: March 13, 2015, 08:12:36 PM »
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  • That explains his contract length then.  Thank you.  I was wondering if there was a specific reason behind it.
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    Offline Scott

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #23 on: March 15, 2015, 12:25:25 PM »
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  • Unfortunately Manor was unable to start the race because they had trouble uploading software that they had dumped during the company's administration.  I think Ali said she was going to buy one of their computers in an auction...she could have at least sent them back their software for this race  ;) ;) :D :D

    Thankfully there will be no penalty, and hopefully they will have the cars sorted out by Malaysia.

    http://www.crash.net/f1/news/215567/1/manor-cleared-over-australian-gp-noshow.html

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    Offline Irisado

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #24 on: March 17, 2015, 01:09:30 PM »
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  • I'm pleased that no penalty was applied.  It's clear that the team was trying its best.  They wouldn't send a full staff out to Australia not to bother racing at all, so I can imagine that they were very frustrated not to get on track.  I really hope that they will run in Malaysia.
    Soņando con una playa donde brilla el sol, un arco iris ilumina el cielo, y el mar espejea iridescentemente

    Offline Alianora La Canta

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #25 on: March 17, 2015, 02:21:41 PM »
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  • I too hope that Manor runs. Going all that way and not racing must be a nightmare.
    Percussus resurgio
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    http://alianoralacanta.tumblr.com (Blog/Tumblr)

    Offline John S

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #26 on: March 17, 2015, 02:30:54 PM »
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  • I'm pleased that no penalty was applied.  It's clear that the team was trying its best.  They wouldn't send a full staff out to Australia not to bother racing at all, so I can imagine that they were very frustrated not to get on track.  I really hope that they will run in Malaysia.

    It's not the view that Bernie's taken, he reckons they never tried to start.  :o

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    Offline Alianora La Canta

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #27 on: March 17, 2015, 03:33:23 PM »
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  • He reckons wrong, but if he's taken that line, I think that also means that Manor misses the first part of their payment for 2014 (as it's tied to participation in 2015).
    Percussus resurgio
    @lacanta (Twitter)
    http://alianoralacanta.tumblr.com (Blog/Tumblr)

    Offline F1fanaticBD

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #28 on: March 17, 2015, 06:27:07 PM »
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  • I was very glad to see these teams at least on the track, they have really fought hard to make it to the grid of the Australian Grand Prix. I really hope they make some improvements to make it to the race for Malaysia.
    Keep running the fast cars, you will be never out of girls

    Offline Irisado

    Re: Manor Plans To Return by Bahrain
    « Reply #29 on: March 18, 2015, 12:42:27 PM »
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  • Ecclestone is just out to put all teams he doesn't want on the grid out of business.  I have no time for his views whatsoever.
    Soņando con una playa donde brilla el sol, un arco iris ilumina el cielo, y el mar espejea iridescentemente

     


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