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Author Topic: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again  (Read 4732 times)

Offline Irisado

Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« on: January 15, 2016, 04:37:35 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35323338

This reminds me of that song 'Where Have All The Flowers Gone', and specifically the line in it 'when will they ever learn'.  Refuelling is not a silver bullet.  There is no way that it's going to improve the quality of the racing, and it's a safety issue as well.  If the FIA wants to generate better racing and more overtaking, it must do something about aero and not bring back old failed ideas.


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Offline Willy

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2016, 12:52:42 PM »
I feel that bringing back refueling will add another level of strategy to the event that is missing now.
They have proven that it can be done safely as many cars have been refueled during races with no safety issues.

Offline Scott

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 04:19:39 PM »
Safety has nothing to do with it.  I like it for the strategy as well, both for the car weight options at the start and the way you can change the strategy on the fly by simply adding more fuel than originally planned. 

Bring it back, I'll be pleased.  :good: :good:
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Offline Steve A.

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 05:57:17 PM »
It will always get my vote. It's adds to the spectacle, changes strategy, errors can change races. Yes overtaking will happen in the pit lane but surely this is better than processions.

Offline cosworth151

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 06:49:27 PM »
I'm in favor of it, too. As Scott said, it brings several strategic elements to the sport.
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Offline Dare

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2016, 07:51:19 PM »
Aero would do the samr thing and make the driver
a key part of racing.Exciting racing aero + Pastor =

death defying exciting racing
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Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2016, 08:38:40 PM »
Aero would do the samr thing and make the driver
a key part of racing.Exciting racing aero + Pastor =

death defying exciting racing

Surely you must mean much less Areo Dare?????

Making the equation:- Much less Areo + Pastor = A chance for another win to add to his other one.    :P :D :D :D :D   8)
Racing is Life - everything else is just....waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline Scott

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 11:08:10 PM »
Sounds like Pastors patrons are late in their payment and his drive is in jeopardy for next year.  Renault is playing hardball.
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Offline Dare

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 11:25:22 PM »
I  readsomewhere that Renault didn't want him in the
first place.I hope Kevin gets his seat or maybe bring
back Rueben's[just kidding]

I meant less aero John...youshould know now you have to
translate what I say or mean to say.
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Offline Irisado

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2016, 12:01:20 AM »
I disagree that safety is not a concern.  Just look at the number of refuelling fires or incidents down the years.  There have been quite a few, and it has only been through sheer luck that they haven't caused more injuries than they actually did.

Also, having refuelling is likely to make overtaking even less likely on the track.  There would be a danger of a return to the 'let's wait for the stops' mentality.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2016, 01:04:35 AM »
I disagree that safety is not a concern.  Just look at the number of refuelling fires or incidents down the years.  There have been quite a few, and it has only been through sheer luck that they haven't caused more injuries than they actually did.

Also, having refuelling is likely to make overtaking even less likely on the track.  There would be a danger of a return to the 'let's wait for the stops' mentality.

I'm against refueling on a safety point of view as well.

However, we must consider the danger of extra heavy cars trying to negotiate in close quarters for the first few laps.  If they start the race lighter, they're more maneuverable, which makes them safer.

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2016, 09:40:42 AM »
You can make it safer by going to a gravity feed rather than the pressurized rigs they have used in the past. Cheaper too.
Lonny

Offline cosworth151

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2016, 03:29:21 PM »
IndyCar, IMSA, WEC, Blancpain series, GT Open and even NASCAR manage to handle refueling just fine. like Lonny said, just go back to gravity feed systems.
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Offline Scott

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2016, 04:14:06 PM »
You can make it safer by going to a gravity feed rather than the pressurized rigs they have used in the past. Cheaper too.

Cheaper, safer and the fuel guys can be ex-Rugby players to keep Ian and the girls happy with the big burly types in the pits.  :crazy: :crazy:  Best of all, is it's also slower, so they can be more careful with the wheels (so they don't always fall off) and give the drivers a moment to stretch their fingers.
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Offline Warmwater

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2016, 09:27:11 PM »
What are they doing?????
Shouldn't the focus be on wheel to wheel racing... not some strategy game about juggling weigh, fuel economy, pit time, etc.
Some slowpoke will hit it lucky with the safety car / refueling crapshoot and win the parade, then how can I hope to keep my Grid Game Flags???  >:D
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough.” ― Mario Andretti.

 


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