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Author Topic: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again  (Read 4688 times)

Offline Monty

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2016, 02:50:39 PM »
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If we truly want that, and in a very general way, I am with you, then we need to stop waving the blue flag all of the time.  I watch a lot of racing and Formula 1 is the only series where the blue flag is used to any great extent.  If faster cars stack up behind a slower car, over-taking the slower cars without one's self being over-taken should be part of racing.

I agree and believe me I could produce a long list of things that are not right about F1. I just don't want yet another bad decision (bringing back refuelling) to make things even worse!

Offline Irisado

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2016, 03:50:31 PM »
Regardless of whether there is agreement about safety (there isn't, because I remain very unconvinced about the argument that it can be made safe enough), I have yet to see any persuasive evidence that bringing back refuelling will spice up the show.  All that will happen is that drivers will 'wait for the stops' and try to do all their overtaking in the pit lane.  Yes, this happens now to some extent with the undercut approach to tyre stops, but it would be even worse with refuelling being introduced.

If we want to have better racing, the teams have to stop messing around and sit down with the FIA and change the aero rules.  That's the only way to improve the show sufficiently in my opinion.
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Offline Scott

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2016, 08:20:48 PM »
No and no.  First of all, how many injuries have their been from fire in the pits over the decades?  I think you can count on one hand.  That doesn't make it very dangerous.

Secondly, changing fuel levels bring plenty of variations on strategy for length of stints, length of stops and tire degradation that weren't available with the no refuelling, plus with no refuelling the car simply got lighter towards the end, so the FL was always in the last 3 laps.  I like the strategy.  I like the pit to driver info, I like the fact that the team, especially the pit wall, has a direct affect on race results.  I like team vs team racing.  The more factors available to make the right call or the wrong one makes or breaks plenty of teams races, including boosting the occasional back marker with a bold strategy into sniffing distance of a podium.  It used to happen, but that was back with refuelling.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Refuelling Back on the Agenda Yet Again
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2016, 03:03:23 PM »
No and no.  First of all, how many injuries have their been from fire in the pits over the decades?  I think you can count on one hand.  That doesn't make it very dangerous.

Secondly, changing fuel levels bring plenty of variations on strategy for length of stints, length of stops and tire degradation that weren't available with the no refuelling, plus with no refuelling the car simply got lighter towards the end, so the FL was always in the last 3 laps.  I like the strategy.  I like the pit to driver info, I like the fact that the team, especially the pit wall, has a direct affect on race results.  I like team vs team racing.  The more factors available to make the right call or the wrong one makes or breaks plenty of teams races, including boosting the occasional back marker with a bold strategy into sniffing distance of a podium.  It used to happen, but that was back with refuelling.

Just because there has been no conflagration in the pits doesn't mean we need to wait for one to declare fueling unsafe.  However, I agree that banning refueling solely on safety issues seems a little silly.

The real reason for the ban was to encourage on track action.  Some of us do quite enjoy the long term strategic approach that refueling brings to the sport.  There are other people who want to see wheel to wheel racing.  As long as you can beat someone in the pits, why would you risk contact on the track?  Eliminating that option forces drivers to take chances on track.  In theory.

I think that having the cars loaded heavy at the beginning leads to LESS overtaking opportunities.  We've seen in the refueling days that some cars would start super light, and slice through the field.  That option is gone.

 


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