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Author Topic: F1 Tech Regs for 2017  (Read 3381 times)

Offline cosworth151

F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« on: February 25, 2016, 12:48:51 PM »
The FIA has heard the calls from many fans to reduce the effects of aero on racing and responded.....

With more aero!

The 2017 cars will have bigger wings & diffusers. Oh, well......

http://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints/item/126420-analysis-f1-s-2017-tech-changes
« Last Edit: February 25, 2016, 12:51:20 PM by cosworth151 »


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Offline Jericoke

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2016, 03:02:29 PM »
Without knowing the engine specs, but knowing that customer teams are going to get inferior designs, more aero is the only way a team can differentiate their car to create a competitive advantage.

Offline cosworth151

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2016, 03:32:31 PM »
I was thinking just the opposite. Customer engines can be the same by regulation. Small teams will never have access to supercomputers and advanced Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) software needed to maximize aero.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Scott

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2016, 05:05:28 PM »
I was thinking just the opposite. Customer engines can be the same by regulation. Small teams will never have access to supercomputers and advanced Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) software needed to maximize aero.

Totally agree.  Less aero is more ironically...
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline Jericoke

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2016, 07:24:14 PM »
I was thinking just the opposite. Customer engines can be the same by regulation. Small teams will never have access to supercomputers and advanced Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) software needed to maximize aero.

I agree, customer engines should be identical to works engines.  I think it's awful that the suppliers are allowed to sell inferior engines.  I'd like to see a rule that dictates if there is a shortage of latest spec engines, then the works team gets them LAST, not first.

With engines being 'equal', then I agree with less aero.

But since that won't happen, the only chance a midfield team has is a bright idea on the aero front (Brawn anyone?)

Offline cosworth151

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2016, 07:45:59 PM »
Brawn's journey from worst to first was a two step process:

1. Ditch the worthless Honda lump.
2. Replace it with a Mercedes unit.

 ;)
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
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Offline Scott

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2016, 08:20:04 PM »
And trick out the diffuser...   ;)
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline John S

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2016, 09:32:19 PM »


I agree, customer engines should be identical to works engines.  I think it's awful that the suppliers are allowed to sell inferior engines.  I'd like to see a rule that dictates if there is a shortage of latest spec engines, then the works team gets them LAST, not first.

Like that's ever going to happen, the manufacturers spend way more than the customer teams can pay in engine development so no benefits they're gone.

Quote
With engines being 'equal', then I agree with less aero.

But since that won't happen, the only chance a midfield team has is a bright idea on the aero front (Brawn anyone?)

That's a really bad example Jeri, Honda paid hundreds of millions for that chassis/aero development which simply got the Merc V8 bolted to it. Towards the end of the season Brawn started to lose ground to the others because they had no money to continue development. So much for the chances of even the 2nd tier, let alone the 3rd tier, in F1 with an aero arms race. The only ones likely to benefit among the non works teams, as far as I can see, are Red Bull. 

Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline Jericoke

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2016, 02:47:22 PM »
Brawn's journey from worst to first was a two step process:

1. Ditch the worthless Honda lump.
2. Replace it with a Mercedes unit.

 ;)

That's the point though, if the engine is the only thing that matters, then why bother racing if you don't have the best engine?  Without aero there's nothing a team can do except hope for bad luck.

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2016, 06:39:11 PM »
There are ways to get down force that don't kill overtaking. Bigger wings will only make it worse.
Lonny

Offline Scott

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2016, 02:29:58 PM »
Ground effects.  If they pave every run-off in F1, they could safely bring back ground effects since the cars wouldn't fly to space every time they went off track like before.  They're half way there already.  :DntKnw:
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline Irisado

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2016, 08:40:01 PM »
They started so well with wider tyres, before it all went downhill very quickly.  They will never learn.  The governing body and the teams have to stop reinventing the wheel and actually cut down on aero dependency if they want this sport to regain some of its lost excitement.
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Offline cosworth151

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2016, 11:22:43 AM »
NASCAR greatly lowered the downforce on their Cup cars this year. The racing has been much better, much more competitive. The in-car shots show the drivers actually fighting the cars to keep them in line.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Scott

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2016, 12:10:00 PM »
Go back to the F1 cigar cars and we'd have the best racing in decades (no aero).  But the wings are where the stickers are mostly, so....  >:(
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline cosworth151

Re: F1 Tech Regs for 2017
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2016, 12:45:28 PM »
I did notice that when Ferrari tested the "halo" structure on Kimi's car at Barcelona that they already had sponsor stickers on it.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

 


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