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Author Topic: Monaco - since 1929  (Read 5187 times)

Offline cosworth151

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2016, 09:47:22 PM »
A mistake like that is unthinkable from a team of RBR's caliber. It makes me wonder if there is more going on with the team than we know ablut.

I think Nasr is past his sell-by date. But as we were saying in the Chat Room, how do you fire a pay driver?

Kvyat is probably heading for the off-ramp, too. Or, they could could give him Danny Ric's pit crew as punishment.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
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Offline Dare

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2016, 11:44:48 PM »
I think Nasr is past his sell-by date. But as we were saying in the Chat Room, how do you fire a pay driver?



Just find another pay driver,there's plenty out there
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Offline Scott

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2016, 08:49:03 AM »
I think Nasr is past his sell-by date. But as we were saying in the Chat Room, how do you fire a pay driver?
I'm sure there are clauses that allow it if the right circumstances are met. 
I would say "Driver-of-the-Race" has to go to Perez, just since I think I failed to mention him previously.

Ricciardo's stop - 13.6 - standing still time.
Post race with the commentators: Matchett, "You always have a set of tires ready to go on the car when it comes in, whether you were told it was coming or not."


Horner said the crew had anticipated softs, but someone called for reds at the last minute and because of Monaco's pit layout where the pit 'wall' is on top of the garage, they couldn't see in the garage to confirm what tires were waiting.  The SS were somewhere in the back of the garage.

That's a seriously weak excuse.  At the level they are at, there simply is NO excuse to not have every compound available within a couple seconds.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2016, 08:53:21 AM by Scott »
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2016, 12:06:17 PM »


I would say "Driver-of-the-Race" has to go to Perez, just since I think I failed to mention him previously.
Horner said the crew had anticipated softs, but someone called for reds at the last minute and because of Monaco's pit layout where the pit 'wall' is on top of the garage, they couldn't see in the garage to confirm what tires were waiting.  The SS were somewhere in the back of the garage.

That's a seriously weak excuse.  At the level they are at, there simply is NO excuse to not have every compound available within a couple seconds.
[/quote]I read that article.  He also said, to his credit, that was no excuse.  They threw the race in the crapper and all but pulled the handle.  Ricciardo should have been 10 seconds ahead of Hamilton when he emerged from the pit out.
Life is short - live each day to the fullest.

Offline Scott

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2016, 01:05:11 PM »
I completely missed the bit where he said they will take the necessary steps to ensure it only happens to Max from now on  ;) :D
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2016, 05:10:56 PM »
Yeah, and Hobbs had spent some time talking about how R/B was preparing for a stop. One of the NBC guys mentioned that Merc radioed Rosberg to ease up as his brakes were overheating. Whether that was true or was code for let Lewis by, who knows?
Lonny

Offline J.Clark

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2016, 05:41:02 PM »
It may have been code for letting Lewis pass, but I don't think it was supposed to extend the courtesy to the other four who followed.

I am not sure, but did the Hulk actually get bye Nico at the finish line?
Life is short - live each day to the fullest.

Offline J.Clark

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2016, 02:20:03 PM »
Heads should roll over this.

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video/2016/5/_Where's_the_tyres___-_Relive_Red_Bull's_pit_stop_nightmare.html

My heart goes out to Ricciardo over the sham of his pit crew not being ready when he was "called" in.
Life is short - live each day to the fullest.

Offline Jericoke

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2016, 03:02:06 PM »
Heads should roll over this.

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video/2016/5/_Where's_the_tyres___-_Relive_Red_Bull's_pit_stop_nightmare.html

My heart goes out to Ricciardo over the sham of his pit crew not being ready when he was "called" in.

You can't fire everyone every time they make a mistake, it will paralyze anyone from making a decision.

Certainly if a team member makes multiple mistakes (Kvyat), then it's time to make a move, but one isolated botched call isn't enough to tear the pit team apart.

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2016, 12:06:54 AM »
Just find another pay driver,there's plenty out there

This only works if the current pay-drivers cannot outbid them. If I had the power, I'd bench one or both of them, simply to let them cool down. As it stands... ...is Pastor Maldonado still available (at least none of the things he hit were his team-mate)?
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Offline cosworth151

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2016, 02:17:17 AM »
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Offline John S

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2016, 03:56:27 PM »


Horner said the crew had anticipated softs, but someone called for reds at the last minute and because of Monaco's pit layout where the pit 'wall' is on top of the garage, they couldn't see in the garage to confirm what tires were waiting.  The SS were somewhere in the back of the garage.

That's a seriously weak excuse.  At the level they are at, there simply is NO excuse to not have every compound available within a couple seconds.

Always tricky in the pits at Monaco, not enough space to keep everything to hand. Seems Danny Ric must have called the late change to SS tyres on his in lap, :DntKnw:    if it had been the strategy group at MK they should be taken out the back and shot as going to SS made no sense at all given Danny's track position. :nono:     
That RBR car is not the kindest chassis to tyres after all. 

Merc strategy was spot on and whoever called it deserves a pay rise as they usually go too cautious.

Can't say I've read anything about a real problem with Rosberg's car so I guess we, and the team, have more ammunition to show why they pay Lewis much more than Nico. Can't think Rosberg management's job has got any easier to get more pay on a renewed contract. :D 

Yeah I'd go with Perez as the driver of the day, he just pips Lewis as he did it with a car that belongs in maybe 6th or 7th rather than the 3rd he achieved.

Good points for McLaren too, shows what WDCs can do in 3rd class machinery. :D         

 
Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline Scott

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2016, 07:36:47 PM »
I've read a couple of stories about the incident and both said the pit wall made the late change to the planned compound they decided to use.  Not sure where you got the idea that DR called for those tires John.  :DntKnw: :DntKnw: :DntKnw:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2016/05/29/monaco-grand-prix-screwed-daniel-ricciardo-lets-rip-at-red-bull/
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Offline John S

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2016, 10:38:41 PM »
I've read a couple of stories about the incident and both said the pit wall made the late change to the planned compound they decided to use.  Not sure where you got the idea that DR called for those tires John.  :DntKnw: :DntKnw: :DntKnw:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2016/05/29/monaco-grand-prix-screwed-daniel-ricciardo-lets-rip-at-red-bull/

It would seem you are probably right Scott, I've just found this quote from Danny Ric on the podium at Monaco:-

   "I don't even want to comment on the race, to be honest. From the outside we put on a show, but it shouldn't have been that exciting to be honest. FOr two weekends straight we've been screwed. I didn't make the call; I was called into the box. They should've been ready. It hurts. It hurts, to be honest."

However someone changed the choice from softs to supersofts after the call to pit was already called on the radio, now who was that and why??? 

Mostly the teams defer to the drivers in changeable conditions, especially when they are as experienced as Ricciardo, are we saying Danny had no input into the tyre choices they were taking on the day??? - If so I find it just a little implausible, after all the crew on the ground in the pitlane will have known that supersofts were not immediately accessible. :confused:   

note though that Danny only talks about the call, could mean just the pit in call as he acknowledges - or perhaps ??????  :DntKnw:   
So just who if not the driver on track called for different tyres that are not on hand for a car due for service in the next 20 seconds or so????????????  :DntKnw:   
Flaming incomprehensible ain't it. :confused:           
« Last Edit: June 06, 2016, 12:19:55 AM by John S »
Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline Scott

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2016, 09:00:55 AM »
Wow, thanks for the 'probably'

Let's dispense with the conspiracy theories John.  I included the link so you could see Horner's comments - "Christian Horner, the Red Bull team principal, said the problem came because the compound of tyres the pitwall asked for were right at the back of the garage. It was an unusual error for a team usually so efficient in their management of the race". 

No doubt there was discussion between the driver and pit wall as to tires, but he freely admits the team's fault for the chosen tires not being ready.
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