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Author Topic: Monaco - since 1929  (Read 5251 times)

Offline cosworth151

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2016, 04:18:25 PM »
Quote
Ferrari struggling, especially Vettel crashing (twice I think).

I think the second one was on his out lap from having the first one repaired.

Cars on the Ultrasoft (Purple) tires seem to be having trouble with the rear end sliding out on them today.
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Offline Irisado

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2016, 11:45:20 PM »
Second practice produced some surprising results.  I still expect Mercedes to lock out the front row, but after that Red Bull look to have put Ferrari on the back foot.  Those will be the three teams at the top.  After that, it looks too close to call with Toro Rosso, Force India, and probably Williams (despite their poor practice times) vying for the other top ten places.  McLaren's pace was a bit disappointing.  I thought that they would be faster at this track.

Regarding some comments in the opening post, the wet race in 1996 saw seven cars classified, but only three still running.  The 1966 dry race over 100 laps and some 2.5 hours in time saw only four cars classified (the lowest in F1 history), but there were only 16 starters compared to 21 (Montermini's Forti was a non-starter after a crash in the 15 minute acclimatisation session before the race started, otherwise there would have been 22 cars on the grid) in the 1996 race, so it had a higher attrition rate.
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2016, 03:13:20 AM »
Massa crashed at Ste Devote - his nemesis corner if ever there was one - in Free Practice 1.  Williams spent a lot of time working on low speed aeros, but it is not paying off in a noticeable way.  He and Bottas both struggled a lot today, especially with the rear stepping out on them.
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Offline cosworth151

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2016, 12:03:11 PM »
I wonder if we might see some lower downforce front wings in FP3. It would give better balance and help with the rear grip situation.
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2016, 05:40:42 PM »
Teams are always reluctant to remove aero. More likely they will try to increase rear down force.
 :fool:
Lonny

Offline cosworth151

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2016, 11:52:42 PM »
I wonder about that on a high speed, low downforce circuit like Monza. Increased downforce would mean increased drag.
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2016, 01:21:11 AM »
A friend emailed this clip link to me. 

I can't remember what year it was, but this is one of the weirdest things to happen at Monaco.


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Offline Scott

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2016, 10:18:17 AM »
Wow...lucky the car dropped on the track and not on someone's head!
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2016, 11:47:06 AM »
FP3 - Saturday:
1.  Vettel      Ferrari   1m 14.650
2.  Hamilton   Mercedes   1m 14.668
3.  Rosberg      Mercedes   1m 14.772
4.  Ricciardo   Red Bull   1m 14.807
5.  Verstappen    Red Bull   1m 15.081
6.  Kvyat      Toro Rosso   1m 15.259
7.  Sainz Jr      Toro Rosso   1m 15.324
8.  Perez      Force India   1m 15.368
9.  Raikkonen      Ferrari   1m 15.555
10. Hulkenberg      Force India   1m 15.666
11.  Massa      Williams   1m 16.068
12. Alonso      McLaren   1m 16.257
13. Button      McLaren   1m 16.298
14. Bottas      Williams   1m 16.347
15. Gutierrez      Haas   1m 16.406
16. Magnussen      Renault   1m 16.412
17. Grosjean      Haas   1m 16.527
18. Nasr      Sauber   1m 16.867
19. Ericsson      Sauber   1m 17.038
20. Palmer      Renault   1m 17.482
21. Wehrlein      Manor   1m 17.595
22. Haryanto      Manor   1m 18.180

Ferrari of Seb looking much better today, with Kimi nearly a full second off his pace (?).
A little surprised to see neither Williams, and neither McLaren in the top ten.
Haas is really missing something here compared to previous circuits.

Qualifying about an hour away.
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2016, 03:21:26 PM »
Having been quick all weekend, Ricciardo takes pole away from Mercs, and Hamilton visibly upset  :'(

1.  Ricciardo      Red Bull   1m 13.622
2.  Rosberg      Mercedes   1m 13.791
3.  Hamilton      Mercedes   1m 13.942
4.  Vettel      Ferrari   1m 14.552
5.  Hulkenberg      Force India   1m 14.726
6.  Raikkonen      Ferrari   1m 14.732 (will start P-11 for gear box issue)
7.  Sainz Jr      Toro Rosso   1m 14.749
8.  Perez      Force India   1m 14.902
9.  Kvyat      Toro Rosso   1m 15.273
10. Alonso      McLaren   1m 15.363  :good:

11. Bottas      Williams   1m 15.273
12. Gutierrez      Haas   1m 15.293
13. Button      McLaren   1m 15.352
14. Massa      Williams   1m 15.385
15. Grosjean      Haas   1m 15.571
16. Magnussen      Renault   1m 16.058 (may be penalized)
17. Ericsson      Sauber   1m 16.299
18. Palmer      Renault   1m 16.586
19. Haryanto      Manor   1m 17.295
20. Wehrlein      Manor   1m 17.452
21. Verstappen    Red Bull   1m 22.467   :sick:
22. Nasr      Sauber   no time Q1  Kablammmmo :-[

What may end up in the "all for nothing" category if it rains, which is a better than 50/50 chance, but Ricciardo gets to start the race on the super-softs instead of the ultras the rest of the field up front are on since his Q2 time was set on them.

Sad to see Williams so far back, but as Matchett indicated, they should be well up the ranks in Montreal; although, for this race, they don't have anywhere near the downforce required.

I'll put a dollar up against a donut that Hamilton and Rosberg don't come together at Ste Devote  :DD  T'would be quite interesting however, if they did.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2016, 03:23:10 PM by J.Clark »
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Offline Scott

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2016, 06:06:45 PM »
Wow...I know I said Verstappen would DNF, but I thought it would be in the race, not Q.  Totally driver error.  A few laps later Rosberg showed how to kiss the same wall and survive.

Though I didn't pick him, I'm pleased Ricciardo is in front.  Better to be in front of the Merc's than avoiding their broken bits from Vettel's position.

If Monaco is on the same weather system as we are this evening, there will be heavy rain.
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2016, 04:32:01 PM »
Well Scott, you didn't know it when making the prediction, but it appears that Q1 was a practice attempt at making your prediction come true.   :o

Man oh man, did Red Bull screw Ricciardo, or what?

It was an interesting race, all in all.  Starting behind the Safety Car, a few Virtual Safety Cars . . .
Kvyat is out of control!   This race is certainly not how to get his RBR seat back, in spite of Verstappen's mistakes this weekend.
Kimi, Kimi, Kimi, what were you thinking?
Haas cars did about as good as could be expected I think.
Poor Nico  :'(
Vettel ran a pretty good race.
Hulk had a great race, but Perez  :good: :good: :good:
McLaren had a great showing as a team with both cars finishing in the points.
Williams Massa drove a good smart race and managed to get a point.   Gutierrez too had a pretty good race, but sadly no points for him or Haas.
Erricson and Nazr . . . stupid move >:D
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Offline Scott

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2016, 06:55:48 PM »
No kidding.  I thought he might have a good crash once this weekend, but 3?  For a while I was pleased it was making Marko look like a bonehead, until Kvyat pulled a Kvyat. 

Sauber fallout will be interesting and hopefully public.  Who was that finger pointing at Nasr after he got out of the car? 

I thought Kimi just understeered into the wall to break his wing (common error in wet weather), but to try to continue and leave debris through a blind sweeping tunnel is certainly worth a warning or those driver point thingies.  Ferrari chiefs will be furious that their expensive driver in their very expensive car can't overtake a Mexican pay driver in an Indian car, though to be honest Vettel had no chance to get by.

Perez drove a stellar, though quiet race.

Rosberg was way off pace - I think he's a bit nervous at Monaco.

RBR...to be honest, I haven't gone to any other site to try to figure out what the heck happened.  Radio miscommunication?  I almost hope that is the answer, because any other would be unacceptable.  Hamilton running through a chicane and not having to cede position was just icing on the cake.  I would be just as furious as Daniel was this weekend.  It was his race and the officials and his own team had it out for him.  What is the guy supposed to do to be able to win.  I loved his comment on the wind down lap "Save it guys" or something like that...i.e. don't utter a word.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2016, 06:58:20 PM by Scott »
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Offline Dare

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2016, 09:36:39 PM »
Yeah Scott two weeks in a row RB has cost Daniel
two wins.His interviews are becoming more and more
critical of the powers to be at RB.He's become my # 1
pick to try and move to Ferrari in 17.
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who are
willing to work and give to those who would not."
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Jefferson

Offline J.Clark

Re: Monaco - since 1929
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2016, 09:42:55 PM »
I would say "Driver-of-the-Race" has to go to Perez, just since I think I failed to mention him previously.

Ricciardo's stop - 13.6 - standing still time.
Post race with the commentators: Matchett, "You always have a set of tires ready to go on the car when it comes in, whether you were told it was coming or not."
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