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Author Topic: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE  (Read 4972 times)

Offline cosworth151

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2016, 02:16:33 PM »
It's now about 16:00 into FP2. Race Control just ordered all drivers to avoid the curbing in Turn 6.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2016, 03:08:03 PM »
They've found a problem I don't remember having heard of before. After FP1, Pirelli reported that 90% of the left rears showed cuts. The track was inspected and they found that the steel F1 curbs (kerbs for you Brits) were coming undone. The GP2 practice was cancelled while repairs were made. The individual panels were then welded together & all of the mounting screws tightened.

It doesn't seem like it worked. I'm watching FP2 right now. They just showed a slo-mo of some of the curbing literally flapping as Vettel drove over it.

I remember this happening before... maybe at Singapore?  Maybe one of the desert races in its first season?

Offline cosworth151

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2016, 03:42:04 PM »
Both Ferraris had drive line issues at the end of FP2. Seb's pit radioed him that he had problems with the K (the KERS generator on the gearbox) quote, "the same as Kimi."

I was impressed to see how many SAFER barriers there are around the track. I'm concerned about the tight area around the castle. There are sure to be shunts in a section that is so narrow and twisty. I didn't see any snatch cranes in that area. I didn't see any place to even put one. That means we'll end up with heavy equipment running on track for quite a ways while active cars ate still circulating. Not good.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
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Offline J.Clark

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2016, 04:00:49 PM »
Yes, sort of like the drain grates coming up in China (?).  The fix too is similar - welding them.

FFP-2 results are a bit curious, and show, I think, some confusion among the teams and drivers (even within a team) on how to set up the cars.  It is a nightmare for the aeros guys.
1.  Hamilton   Mercedes   1m 44.223
2.  Rosberg      Mercedes   1m 44.913
3.  Perez      Force India   1m 45.336
4.  Bottas      Williams   1m 45.764
5.  Hulkenberg   Force India   1m 45.920
6.  Sainz    Toro Rosso     1m 46.027
7.  Verstappen    Red Bull   1m 46.068
8.  Vettel      Ferrari   1m 46.219
9.  Button      McLaren   1m 46.234
10. Ricciardo   Red Bull   1m 46.293
11. Alonso      McLaren   1m 46.498
12. Grosjean   Haas        1m 46.681
13. Raikkonen   Ferrari   1m 46.694
14. Kvyat      Toro Rosso   1m 46.744
15. Gutierrez   Haas      1m 46.830
16. Massa      Williams   1m 47.060
17. Magnussen   Renault   1m 47.329
18. Haryanto   Manor   1m 47.487
19. Ericsson   Sauber   1m 47.772
20. Palmer      Renault   1m 47.794
21. Wehrlein      Manor   1m 48.018
22. Nasr      Sauber   1m 48.081
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Offline cosworth151

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2016, 04:13:24 PM »
NBC also said that Renault doesn't have any spare tubs with them. Their drivers have destroyed every other tub they have.

I want to give a thumbs up to Nico Rosberg. His car packed it in out on the course. He them spent a good bit of time posing for pictures with the marshals. That's the way to build a fan base in a new market.  :good:
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Irisado

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2016, 04:36:45 PM »
I'm pleasantly surprised by some elements of the track.  They have located it well, and thanks to the castle and the trees, it does have an atmosphere.  Some of the corners are a bit bland and I foresee issues in the race if there's a collision in some of the tight sections, but it has made a much better first impression on me than a number of other recent new venues, such as those in Russia, South Korea, and India.

Mercedes and teams with a Mercedes engine look to have a significant advantage so far in practice.  Red Bull are struggling to make up for lost time this morning, it was very unusual to see Ricciardo crash, while Ferrari look off the pace to me.  Force India look strong though, as does Bottas in the Williams, so there could be some surprises.
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Offline cosworth151

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2016, 05:19:20 PM »
There is one thing that reminds me of the F1 course at Indianapolis. (Pause while waiting for those who just fainted to recover.) The track is half high speed, low downforce and half twisties, high downforce. The real trick in setting up the car is where to find the right balance between those two, polar opposite needs. The better the car is on one section, the worse it will be on the other.   :yahoo:
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline J.Clark

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2016, 08:15:04 PM »
I also wonder if the fact that it is often quite narrow will catch drivers out during qualifying - not being able to stay out of the way when on a in lap - and "blocking" someone on a hot lap because there is nowhere for them to go to get out of the way.

Really, turn 7 - 10, especially the beginning of it doesn't appear wide enough to put two cars next to each other with help of a crane.
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Offline J.Clark

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2016, 12:33:53 PM »
Saturday practice has some surprises.
1.  Hamilton   Mercedes   1m 44.352
2.  Rosberg      Mercedes   1m 44.610
4.  Hulkenberg   Force India   1m 45.540
4.  Ricciardo   Red Bull   1m 45.620
5.  Vettel      Ferrari   1m 45.630
6.  Perez      Force India   1m 45.735
7.  Verstappen    Red Bull   1m 45.901
8.  Button      McLaren   1m 45.954
9.  Kvyat      Toro Rosso   1m 45.981
10. Raikkonen   Ferrari   1m 46.024
11. Alonso      McLaren   1m 46.131
12. Sainz       Toro Rosso   1m 46.910
13. Grosjean      Haas     1m 46.361
14. Massa      Williams   1m 46.510
15. Gutierrez      Haas i   1m 46.670
16. Magnussen   Renault   1m 47.024
17. Wehrlein    MRT   1m 47.100s
18. Palmer      Renault   1m 47.158
19. Ericsson   Sauber   1m 47.328
20. Nasr      Sauber   1m 47.379
21. Haryanto   MRT   1m 47.556
22. Bottas      Williams   No time   :o
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Offline J.Clark

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2016, 03:51:31 PM »
Qualifying has set up some very interesting possibilities for tomorrow.

1.  Rosberg      Mercedes   1m 42.758
2.  Perez      Force India   1m 43.515*
3.  Ricciardo      Red Bull   1m 43.966
4.  Vettel      Ferrari   1m 43.966
5.  Raikkonen      Ferrari   1m 44.269
6.  Massa      Williams   1m 44.483
7.  Kvyat      Toro Rosso   1m 44.717

8.  Bottas      Williams   1m 45.246
9.  Verstappen      Red Bull   1m 45.570
10. Hamilton      Mercedes   2m 01.954

11. Grosjean  Haas   1m 44.755
12. Hulkenberg      Force India   1m 44.824
13. Sainz    Toro Rosso   1m 45.000
14. Alonso      McLaren   1m 45.270
15. Gutierrez  Haas   1m 45.349
16. Nasr      Sauber   1m 46.048
17. Haryanto   MRT   1m 45.665
18. Wehrlein    MRT   1m 45.750
19. Button      McLaren   1m 45.804
20. Ericsson   Sauber   1m 46.231
21. Magnussen   Renault   1m 46.348
22. Palmer      Renault   1m 46.394

Interesting results and the start will be crucial.
With Perez having a 5 spot penalty, moving Ricciardo to the front row, Rosberg will need his best start of the season.
Ferrari lock out second row.

I think there will likely be tows in addition to the DRS on the start/finish straight.
Life is short - live each day to the fullest.

Offline Ian

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2016, 06:52:22 PM »
One big safety issue worries me, drivers reversing out of the escape roads straight onto the circuit, vision out of their wing mirrors is well known for not being good, it only takes one impatient driver to  reverse straight into the path of a car at racing speed and you will have a horrific accident.
An aircraft landing is just a controlled crash.

Offline Irisado

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2016, 07:00:34 PM »
That was the most tense qualifying session of the year, because all the yellow flags meant that nobody could guarantee a clean lap when they needed it.

I feel that Hamilton missed a huge opportunity today.  Rosberg had been on the back foot by comparison all weekend, and Hamilton has uncharacteristically surrendered the initiative.  That error strewn performance and the contact with the wall could be very costly.  Even if Rosberg is beaten off the line by Ricciardo or Vettel, or even both of them, they don't have the pace to beat Mercedes, so Hamilton is relying on a DNF for Rosberg to not allow Nico to open up a larger points lead in the championship again.

Pérez was the star of qualifying.  Such a pity he made that mistake at the end of practice three.  I really dislike this gearbox rule.  It's bad enough getting the penalty when it suffers a mechanical failure, but to be penalised when it's broken by contact is even more over the top.  It dissuades the drivers from pushing hard, and surely that's what we want to see.  Time for a rethink on that rule in my opinion.

Ricciardo pulled out a great lap, but Red Bull don't seem to have the race pace here, while Ferrari look good to pick up the podium spots, even though they are off the pace themselves.

Finally, an excellent performance from Manor and a truly woeful performance from Renault.

The mixed up grid could lead to a very exciting and incident filled race.
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Offline J.Clark

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2016, 04:07:24 AM »
I would agree with the incident filled race comment.

It was good to mix up the grid like it is, and I agree with Irisado about the problem with getting clean laps in when needed.  That seems the nature of the beast for this one.  I like it, but it will probably not affect the outcome of the race much in the end.

The nearly mile-long start/finish straight will allow any faster car to overtake because, as we saw in qualifying, not only is it a long DRS zone, the drafting was incredible.  I think, barring a break down, the finish will likely see Rosberg, Hamilton, a Ferrari or Red Bull on the podium, unless Perez can put together a race full of qualifying performance, in which case he could easily stand on the third spot of the podium.  Both Williams should finish in the points, both FIF1 have a real shot at points and so too do McLarens.  Both STR cars and at least one Haas could score, especially if there is a problem with someone ahead of them.

I do anticipate a few Safety Cars, but the laps under it per incident should not be many given the length of the lap.
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Offline Scott

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2016, 08:38:43 AM »
I agree it's an anything-can-happen race with that massive straight.  It will be critical for Rosberg to stay ahead of Ricciardo on the first lap or I fear he's going to make a big mistake in panicked attempts to overtake.  As long as Hamilton has recovered from his Q jitters, he could realistically lead by the end, especially if Rosberg has taken himself out of the race.  My biggest fear of the silly narrow runoff areas is that the stewards are going to be passing out penalties like free booze at a casino when racers disobey the yellow rules.
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Offline J.Clark

Re: 2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2016, 04:12:56 PM »
Wow - how boring  :-[ :-[ :-[

1.  Rosberg      Mercedes   51 laps 1,32:52.366   
2.  Vettel      Ferrari   +16.6
3.  Perez      Force India   +25.2
4.  Raikkonen   Ferrari   +33.1
5.  Hamilton   Mercedes   +56.3
6.  Bottas      Williams   +60.8
7.  Ricciardo   Red Bull   +69.2
8.  Hulkenberg   Force India   +70.6
9.  Verstappen   Red Bull-   +77.7
10. Massa      Williams   +85.3

11. Button      McLaren   +1:44.8
12. Nasr      Sauber   +1 lap
13. Magnussen   Renault   +1 lap
14. Grosjean      Haas   +1 lap
15. Palmer      Renault   +1 lap
16. Gutierrez      Haas   +1 lap
17. Ericsson   Sauber   +1 lap
18. Haryanto    MRT   +2 laps

Not Classified

Rtd.  Alonso   McLaren-Honda   
Rtd.  Wehrlein    MRT   
Rtd.  Sainz    Toro Rosso-Ferrari   
Rtd.  Kvyat   RUS   Toro Rosso-Ferrari   

Fastest lap
Rosberg   Mercedes   1:46.485 - Lap 48

Driver of the race has to be Perez.   :yahoo:
I wonder, had he started on the front row, could he have beaten Vettel's Ferrari?  I think the answer is a "yes" he would have.
A very big Bravo Zulu to Force-India for their race with both cars showing well and a huge points haul for them.

Red Bull may have pulled Ricciardo in too soon for the first stop.
Williams may have pulled Massa in too soon for the second and then put him on the wrong tire as well.

Hamilton radio was almost funny, as was Kimi's.
Hamilton was told to basically not play with the knobs on the steering wheel, but he did and ended up going faster all of a sudden - much faster.
Kimi was told we can't tell you what we think the problem is and what we would recommend to fix it.

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