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Author Topic: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016  (Read 6849 times)

Offline Scott

Re: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2016, 02:25:52 PM »
Maybe it's all a setup for Lewis to put on the black hat next year and be the bad guy (though he already is to some). 

I have to admit that as much as I am not a Rosberg fan, he was perhaps the most gracious champion in ages.   :good: :good: :good:
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016
« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2016, 05:39:43 PM »
I think they should do something. Paddy Lowe said Lewis I am ordering you to pick up the pace, and Lewis told him basically to sod off. Can you allow an employee to refuse a direct order?
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2016, 05:50:37 PM »
I think they should do something. Paddy Lowe said Lewis I am ordering you to pick up the pace, and Lewis told him basically to sod off. Can you allow an employee to refuse a direct order?

It was Lowe's mistake to tell Hamilton to do something he knew Hamilton wouldn't do.  You don't hire an F1 champion and ask them to lose.  I don't think any driver on the grid would have listened to Lowe if they were in Hamilton's position.   (Yes, there are drivers on the grid who would listen to Lowe, but as long as they have that mindset, they won't be in Hamilton's position)

Offline Scott

Re: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2016, 06:49:17 PM »
Honestly I think the radio call simply added to the drama.  How many times has Lewis questioned Merc this year?  A good handful that were broadcast and likely a few more that weren't.  They've talked to him and he just does it again...why would they expect him to listen when a drivers title is at stake? 

An F1 driver is perhaps technically an employee, but at that level, he is also heavily invested in the team, but above all himself and his career.  There are not very many employees who would listen to a boss if they recognized it meant taking a dip in his/her career path.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2016, 08:17:51 PM »
Honestly I think the radio call simply added to the drama.  How many times has Lewis questioned Merc this year?  A good handful that were broadcast and likely a few more that weren't.  They've talked to him and he just does it again...why would they expect him to listen when a drivers title is at stake? 

Since the season is done, why not delve into conspiracy territory here?

Maybe Lowe's intention was to create 'plausible deniability' if Hamilton did manage to win the championship.  He knew full well what Hamilton would do, but he's on record as telling Hamilton not to do it.  He's on Nico's side... but if Hamilton won, he can say he knew Lewis wouldn't listen, so he's on Hamilton's side.

Offline cosworth151

Re: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016
« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2016, 03:27:42 PM »
Nico's cool with it:

"But at the same time, it's easy to understand his perspective. It's about the world championship, so you can understand that he wanted to try whatever it was possible to do. We can just drop the whole discussion. There's no point discussing this topic any more. It's done and it's in the past."

http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/f1-champion-nico-rosberg-asks-critics-lighten-lewis-hamiltons-abu-dhabi-tactics
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Offline Scott

Re: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2016, 07:28:43 PM »
Any decent race driver would have at least tried to win the WDC any way they can.  Schumacher and Senna went to an extreme way beyond what Lewis tried.  Schumacher paid the price, but I don't think Senna did.  Backing up cars is a racing tactic, and team rules or not Lewis had every right to give it a shot.
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Offline Ian

Re: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2016, 07:28:06 AM »
As Scott said, it's a tactic whether you think it's fair or not, nowhere near as bad as Prost and Senna taking each other out on successive years to win the championship, although if my memory serves me well I believe Senna got subsequently D/Q'd when he done it.
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2016, 01:40:59 PM »
As Scott said, it's a tactic whether you think it's fair or not, nowhere near as bad as Prost and Senna taking each other out on successive years to win the championship, although if my memory serves me well I believe Senna got subsequently D/Q'd when he done it.

Senna didn't get DQ'd for it - when he did it, neither driver was intended to go any further in the race, and indeed neither did so.

When Prost is believed to have done it, Senna got disqualified... ...because he rejoined the track in a manner forbidden by the regulations for safety reasons. Prost went no further and could not therefore be DQ'd. (I've seen a non-classified finisher be disqualified in sportscars before, but never a non-finisher from the round in which the non-finish occurred).
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Offline Ian

Re: Abu Dhabi - closer for 2016
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2016, 10:04:44 PM »
Cheers Ali, knew I'd get it mixed up.  :good:
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