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Author Topic: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.  (Read 3392 times)

Offline John S

Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« on: November 25, 2016, 10:58:04 PM »
Seems we'll see more 2017 changes than expected.


Formula 1 team bosses have agreed in principle to the introduction of standing restarts following a safety car period, following an informal meeting in the Abu Dhabi paddock with Bernie Ecclestone on Friday morning.

That would mean drivers lining up in race position for a lights-out start - an idea Ecclestone put forward to spice up races.

It's believed the teams have backed the proposal, despite voting it down during a meeting at the start of the season after a number of concerns were raised.

The proposal will now go before the Strategy Group and then the World Motor Sport Council before it is officially added to the rules.

Courtesy Ryan Wood, Grandprixtimes.com, Today.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2016, 11:01:18 PM by John S »


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Offline Steve A.

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2016, 09:12:24 AM »
Given the amount of safety cars,  especially at some races this could change races dramatically. A driver having a bad day could easily be brought back into contention and a team possibly getting the first points (or only) of the season could lose out. 

Offline Irisado

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2016, 10:20:53 AM »
Yet another ill conceived idea.  Ecclestone should stop being allowed to have input into the rules.  The vast majority of his ideas are poor.  This will just slow down the whole race, especially given how often they use the safety car unnecessarily these days.  In addition, consider what would happen in wet races, such as this year's Brazilian Grand Prix.  They were too worried about an accident to start the race from a standing start, so how would the rule work then?  This proposal really is daft.

If they want to spice up the show, bring back gravel traps, increase unreliability, reduce aerodynamic dependence, change the tyres, and change the engine rules.  Make it so that drivers have to push throughout the race and not cruise around to look after the tyres and the engine, that way they make more mistakes, and this will liven up the races.
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Offline cosworth151

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2016, 12:26:00 PM »
Sounds like it could really put a dent in the action. Everything stops. I hope this one goes away before Melbourne.

I'll bet Lewis hopes it goes away, too.  ;)
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2016, 03:28:24 PM »
The pros and  cons discussed by the teams are what I want to hear about.
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Offline Scott

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2016, 05:33:18 PM »
Puts the most pressure on the leader, who used to be able to control the pace leading to the green flag. 

I'm intrigued to see how it plays out...a bit of a gimmick, but so is DRS, ERS, and pretty much the entire engine regulation book, so whatever...
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2016, 06:01:40 PM »
So eliminate the safety car and simply red flag the race?

Or is it somehow important to run low speed laps behind the safety car while people work on the track?

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2016, 08:32:03 PM »
This will merely make people more reluctant to throw a Safety Car - when there is already over-reluctance to call a Safety Car when it is truly needed. It seems Bernie managed this by threatening the teams with forcing through two half-length F1 races if Bernie didn't get his way, not caring how things went last time he tried that trick...
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Offline Scott

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2016, 08:47:40 PM »
So eliminate the safety car and simply red flag the race?

Or is it somehow important to run low speed laps behind the safety car while people work on the track?

I think it takes a lot more to re-start an F1 engine...you have to get the mechanics involved, cool the brakes manually, all sorts of complexities  that would be far more difficult than running around behind the SC and then they all have to actually come to a standstill for a brief moment and re-do the lights.  A Red flag is quite a bit more than that.
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2016, 08:51:30 PM »
So eliminate the safety car and simply red flag the race?

Or is it somehow important to run low speed laps behind the safety car while people work on the track?

I think it takes a lot more to re-start an F1 engine...you have to get the mechanics involved, cool the brakes manually, all sorts of complexities  that would be far more difficult than running around behind the SC and then they all have to actually come to a standstill for a brief moment and re-do the lights.  A Red flag is quite a bit more than that.

It will still take several minutes longer than necessary, even if the stop itself is reduced to the minimum of 30 seconds (the start procedure can take that long depending on the random number rolled when the 5 red lights come on).
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2016, 12:35:24 PM »
So eliminate the safety car and simply red flag the race?

Or is it somehow important to run low speed laps behind the safety car while people work on the track?

I think it takes a lot more to re-start an F1 engine...you have to get the mechanics involved, cool the brakes manually, all sorts of complexities  that would be far more difficult than running around behind the SC and then they all have to actually come to a standstill for a brief moment and re-do the lights.  A Red flag is quite a bit more than that.

If F1 is meant to be a proving ground for future automotive technology, maybe they SHOULD be designed to sit idle for 10 minutes, just like cars in a rush hour traffic jam  :tease:

Offline John S

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2016, 09:41:13 PM »

If F1 is meant to be a proving ground for future automotive technology, maybe they SHOULD be designed to sit idle for 10 minutes, just like cars in a rush hour traffic jam  :tease:

So instead of the automotive industry borrowing from F1 the boot will be on the other foot and we'll have a stop/start function controlled by the clutch or accelerator on future F1 cars. ;)

Well it would help with fuel saving, but it might cause a bit of consternation at Mirabeau down to Portier as the engines keep cutting out as they queue on the first lap in Monaco.  :D

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Offline Dare

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2016, 10:11:10 PM »
Why not have a rule where the leader can't speed off in the distance?
It will make for closer racing.If he shows his car is supurior hit him
with a time penalty.
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Offline John S

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2016, 12:01:26 PM »
Why not have a rule where the leader can't speed off in the distance?
It will make for closer racing.If he shows his car is supurior hit him
with a time penalty.

Or have a fan boost, like in Formula E, except in reverse.  :D  When a leader is pulling away too much reduce the amount of ERS/KERS they can use for a number of laps, decrease it more if they still stay too far ahead. >:D   :DD   

Then call it 'Hamilton's law', after all it was Lewis who showed everyone how exciting a race can become if you bunch up the top runners.  :DD
 
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Standing restarts after safety car period to jazz up F1 show.
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2016, 11:11:06 PM »
So eliminate the safety car and simply red flag the race?

Or is it somehow important to run low speed laps behind the safety car while people work on the track?

I think it takes a lot more to re-start an F1 engine...you have to get the mechanics involved, cool the brakes manually, all sorts of complexities  that would be far more difficult than running around behind the SC and then they all have to actually come to a standstill for a brief moment and re-do the lights.  A Red flag is quite a bit more than that.

If F1 is meant to be a proving ground for future automotive technology, maybe they SHOULD be designed to sit idle for 10 minutes, just like cars in a rush hour traffic jam  :tease:

Maybe they should try mandating self-starters...
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