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Author Topic: Less British than you think  (Read 5564 times)

Offline Dare

Less British than you think
« on: December 24, 2016, 12:09:59 AM »
I did this a few months ago.Kinda neat....most Americans are told and think
their part Native America...I was and found out that was false.

https://blogs.ancestry.com/cm/british-are-less-british-than-we-think/?o_xid=73794&o_lid=73794&o_sch=External+Paid+Media


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Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2016, 10:39:38 PM »
Hard to trust their facts when they talk about British and show only a map of England.  :confused: 

Britain (as in British Isles) is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, England is not Britain per se but part of it.

Us English have known for a long, long time that we are a mongrel race,  :D  made up of many bloodlines.

For the record Celts, were across all of western Europe at one time, it was a culture as well as ethnicity, so it's hard to see how they can only be classified as Irish?  :crazy:



   
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2016, 11:10:58 PM »
On the continent The Celts were conquered and assimilated. Ireland was isolated enough to preserve Celtic custom and bloodline more intact. Of course Scotland and Wales have a heavy Celtic influence as well.
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Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2016, 12:32:29 AM »
On the continent The Celts were conquered and assimilated. Ireland was isolated enough to preserve Celtic custom and bloodline more intact. Of course Scotland and Wales have a heavy Celtic influence as well.


Assimilated?? Nah!   Conquered yes - the Romans tended not to mate with the locals so the Western Europeans continued on to give us the Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Gauls. Given this the Western European lineage is really an extension of the Celtic peoples from before the Roman Empire. Hey but why let that get in the way of a good marketing ploy.  ::)

Perhaps it would be more accurate to call it less Celtic than you expected.  ;)   
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Offline Dare

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2016, 01:34:19 AM »
I would have thought the Roman's where ever they were at when
marry and have families with the locals.The Roman Empire covered
most of the world at one time and Italy is the country of amore.And
besides while the tests might mean little they are fun.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2016, 01:37:37 AM by Dare »
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2016, 03:05:51 AM »
The science is a bit unclear and changing a bit with new archaeological evidence being added constantly. Some feel Celtic refers to a language and set of customs more than a racial group. During the Iron Age it spread over most of Europe from Spain/Portugal across France, Northern Italy, the Balkans, Austria, Germany even into Turkey. They included the people Caesar called the Gauls. They may not have been genetically assimilated, but they were culturally. The Celtic culture was pushed into the areas of Britain that the Romans did not conquer.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2016, 02:34:06 AM »
Hard to trust their facts when they talk about British and show only a map of England.  :confused: 

Britain (as in British Isles) is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, England is not Britain per se but part of it.

Us English have known for a long, long time that we are a mongrel race,  :D  made up of many bloodlines.

For the record Celts, were across all of western Europe at one time, it was a culture as well as ethnicity, so it's hard to see how they can only be classified as Irish?  :crazy:



   

Anecdotally, I've noticed that Scots, Welsh and Irish will identify themselves as such, whereas English are more likely to identify themselves as 'British' instead of English.  I even notice this in F1 coverage, Hamilton and Button are called Brits, never English, though DiResta and Coulthard were often called Scots (though occasionally lumped in with British)

However, when discussing ancestry amongst Canadians, we'll always refer to 'English', instead of 'British' (as well as Scotch, Irish (Orange or Catholic) or Welsh)

Offline Ian

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2016, 08:34:31 AM »
I've always identified myself as English 1st and British 2nd.  :good:
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Offline Irisado

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2017, 09:26:18 PM »
I identify myself as European now, and have never identified myself as English.
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Offline Jenji Stone

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2017, 02:48:12 PM »
Quite difficult to say, i am English first, then British next. But my husband begs to differ. He is British first then English next.

Offline Scott

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2017, 10:42:58 AM »
I am Scott-ish first, but my world has no borders.
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2017, 01:22:43 PM »
Citizen of the universe first, then human, then British, then Derbyshirean. I don't really regard myself as English any more than I do Scottish (which is amusing considering the Scottish element is from 4 generations back, with everything more recent than that coming from a 15-mile radius of my very English home), though this did not prevent the French police insisting I was Scottish (complete with inpenetrable regional accent) until I showed them my passport! I've also been described as being several other nationalities and cultures (Italian, Spanish, Australian, Indian, generic Arabic) usually by people who should have known better given the evidence available to them.

Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish and Brittanic Celts were distinct peoples with various levels of assimilation, though it is true that only the former two retain any distinct culture other than their language. (Brittanic Celts aren't British at all, they are from Brittany in Western France, which didn't assimilate into Gaul as smoothly as the rest of France did). The Scottish Celts are much more likely to describe themselves as Gaelic, just to further confuse the issue. lkjohnson1950's post about the Celts is also correct as far as I know.
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Offline cosworth151

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2017, 01:49:12 PM »
These days, I'm just saying I'm from the U.F.P.
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Offline Philbe

Re: Less British than you think
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2017, 06:39:27 PM »
 
with a bit of newfie....

 


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