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Author Topic: Kubica in for Hartley?  (Read 6995 times)

Offline Robem64



"I'm not a pessimist, I'm an optimist with experience"

Offline Calman

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2018, 05:04:02 PM »
I personally don't think Brendon has done that bad a job - 50% of the issues have been down to back luck and a break failure causing another car to ram into the back of you doesn't help either!!

Whether a weak rumour or not, I am not a fan of mid season driver swaps, it just looks very unprofessional (unless there are dramatic circumstances justifying the move).    Poor Pascal always gets a mention, but I can't see him having a return to F1 - like Paul Di Resta, stick with DTM, Formula E or any other avenues out there.

All the best,
Cal :)
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Offline Scott

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2018, 06:16:12 PM »
I agree Calman.  Mid season driver changes aren't a great idea.  They cause all kinds of turmoil within the team, and shouldn't happen unless there is a real crisis. 
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2018, 08:10:40 PM »
I agree Calman.  Mid season driver changes aren't a great idea.  They cause all kinds of turmoil within the team, and shouldn't happen unless there is a real crisis.

And yet many recent 'great' drivers entered the sport as mid season replacements, including Kubica.  I think it made more sense when in season testing was a great way to get a driver comfortable with a car, but there's no reason to double down on a mistake.  If a driver isn't working out, there's no advantage to anyone to just give up and let them race.

Offline Scott

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2018, 08:42:18 AM »
In Hartley's case there has been a certain amount of bad luck.  He's proven he can race in lower series, so it is just a matter of him getting a grasp on F1.  Giving him the boot after 8-9 races is unfair.

He got his hair cut for F1, what has F1 done for him?  :crazy: :crazy:
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2018, 02:01:25 PM »
In Hartley's case there has been a certain amount of bad luck.  He's proven he can race in lower series, so it is just a matter of him getting a grasp on F1.  Giving him the boot after 8-9 races is unfair.

He got his hair cut for F1, what has F1 done for him?  :crazy: :crazy:

I'm not suggesting Hartley has to go, just that mid season replacement has worked out well enough in the past that we can't really call it a bad idea.

Offline cosworth151

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2018, 03:00:14 PM »
I'd really like to see Kubica get another shot at F1, but not at Hartley's expense. I agree that he's had very bad luck so far.
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Offline Calman

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2018, 06:10:50 PM »
I'd really like to see Kubica get another shot at F1, but not at Hartley's expense. I agree that he's had very bad luck so far.

I share those feelings too ... at least give him until the summer break to see if he can deliver a couple of clean results in the points.  I'd have to look back at the last 5-6 races, but I think 50% have been incidents beyond his control on race day or car failures (either during the race or issues in qualifying, with a knock on effect into the race).

All the best,
Cal :)
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Offline Andy B

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2018, 11:06:16 PM »
Living in New Zealand I'de like to see Hartley do well its not as if he does not have the experience and speed being a double WEC Champion and Le Man winner so I hope it comes good for him and fortune comes his way.
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2018, 08:34:41 AM »
I seriously doubt Williams would let Robert go, given that there's some risk that he may be needed to race one of its own cars mid-season...
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2018, 03:56:20 PM »
I seriously doubt Williams would let Robert go, given that there's some risk that he may be needed to race one of its own cars mid-season...

Is there any chance that Kubica would sign a contract that doesn't allow him to go to another F1 team should the opportunity arise?

Offline Robem64

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2018, 08:20:58 AM »
Seems the signs aren't good for Hartley
https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/18473
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Offline geralddickens

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2018, 04:07:49 PM »
Having listened to the very frustrated rants from Lance Stroll last weekend, I wonder if Kubica may be called on to drive closer to home before the season is out....however, from a driver's point of view trying to re-establish a reputation he would be much better served in the Toro Rosso than in the woeful Williams.

I agree with the other comments I don't think Hartley has done a bad job, but history tells us how intolerant the Red Bull stable can be.

Offline Jericoke

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2018, 08:14:09 PM »
Having listened to the very frustrated rants from Lance Stroll last weekend, I wonder if Kubica may be called on to drive closer to home before the season is out....however, from a driver's point of view trying to re-establish a reputation he would be much better served in the Toro Rosso than in the woeful Williams.

I agree with the other comments I don't think Hartley has done a bad job, but history tells us how intolerant the Red Bull stable can be.

Now that's an interesting idea.  Williams is clearly struggling, and we presume it's the car, but it's possible that Stroll and Sirotkin aren't up to snuff as F1 drivers.  If Kubica can step into the Williams, which he's familiar with, and put up solid Q2 times, maybe a couple of top 10s, he's proven he's superior to the other Williams drivers.

If he steps into a Toro Rosso, he can't really expect to be getting Q3 times, or podium finishes, yet that's what he'd need to do to prove he's better than Gasly.  If he can't beat Gasly, in an unfamiliar car, then that would be the end of his comeback.

Offline Calman

Re: Kubica in for Hartley?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2018, 09:58:31 PM »
It would be enlightening if Kubica and Rowland got a shot at a Race (theoretically of course) .. to expose how good/bad Stroll and Serotkin are performing in the 2018 Car.  Yes, we know the car is mainly at fault, but in Massa's day, he was capable of finding limits, which sometimes, his teammate didn't. 

At least in Sergey's case, he pretty much just gets on with it, where Stroll is becoming a 'Moaning Mini' like a few people before him!!

Best Regards,
Cal :)
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