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Author Topic: Others cannot win Le Mans unless Toyota breaks down  (Read 3413 times)

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Others cannot win Le Mans unless Toyota breaks down
« on: June 14, 2018, 11:52:11 AM »
Seems Alonso is certain to be crowned king of La Sarthe unless
Toyota's usual jinx intervenes once again. 
The rules are rigged against other LMP1 runners,  |-(
here's how the BBC explains it :-

Toyota are effectively without direct opposition at Le Mans this year because they are the only team racing in the leading LMP1 hybrid class, following the withdrawal at the end of last season of champions Porsche.

The other LMP1 cars, which are not hybrids and are run by privateer teams, have a series of handicaps laid out in the rules.

They are not allowed to lap faster than the Toyotas, and if they do, they are called in to the pits for a drive-through penalty. Hybrids can do 11 laps between fuel stops and non-hybrids only 10 and hybrids have a minimum pit-stop time five seconds shorter than the non-hybrids.

That effectively means a Toyota will probably win unless both cars hit reliability problems, which are common in such a demanding and gruelling race.

Extracts, courtesy Andrew Benson, bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1, Today.


So much for Nando's comments, in last few days, on his joy of having deserved trophies rather than a bigger haul.  ::)


« Last Edit: June 14, 2018, 01:30:29 PM by John S »


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Re: Others cannot win Le Mans unless Toyota breaks down
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2018, 02:18:39 PM »
That's bizarre.  How can anyone else accept rules like that?  If they lap faster than the fastest car out there, they are called in for a penalty?  I would be embarrassed to be at Toyota and race in a series that is so plainly fixed in their favour.
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Offline cosworth151

Re: Others cannot win Le Mans unless Toyota breaks down
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2018, 02:21:57 PM »
They were running separate hybrid and conventional classes until everyone but Toyota dropped out.

It gets worse in the coming years, if LMP1 survives. The dreaded FIA wants the cars to operate on electric only during pit stop and on the last few laps. LeMans would end not with a bang but with a whimper. Right after these rules were released, Porsche bailed out.

Now they are talking about replacing LMP1 with a production based GTP in 2020.


http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/10/23/new-2020-lmp1-rulebook-proposals-unpicked.html
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Re: Others cannot win Le Mans unless Toyota breaks down
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2018, 04:16:35 AM »
So Alonso's win isn't all that great.
Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

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Re: Others cannot win Le Mans unless Toyota breaks down
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2018, 05:19:25 AM »
Well, after falling behind about 2.5 minutes, they caught the leading Toyota just after dawn. Alonso pulled back 45 seconds during his night shift. They worked for it against their teammates, but the only way a non Toyota could have won was if both Toyotas DNF'd or at least had major problems.
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Re: Others cannot win Le Mans unless Toyota breaks down
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2018, 12:49:42 PM »
So Alonso's win isn't all that great.

But as always Dare the record books don't show how hard they had to fight for a win. Historically a win's a win whatever. 
I'm sure most of us old fogeys can recall F1 champs who took the title with next to no wins, or because others got penalised unfairly on technicalities. The records never show whether they deserved the honour.
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Re: Others cannot win Le Mans unless Toyota breaks down
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2018, 10:29:14 PM »
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

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Re: Others cannot win Le Mans unless Toyota breaks down
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2018, 12:15:57 AM »
Funny I don't recall Vettel sharing the car with Nando, Scott! :confused:

 Makes me wonder how accurate the rest of the article is. :DntKnw:
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Offline Dare

Re: Others cannot win Le Mans unless Toyota breaks down
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2018, 04:15:13 AM »
Now if they can just fix the 500 for him. Where's Flav when he
really need him
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