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Author Topic: Williams really are a team in crisis  (Read 2403 times)

Online Luke

Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2019, 08:58:32 PM »
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  • According to Autosport there are huge rumours Lowe has offered his resignation should the team feel it is the right thing going forward.  Massive rumours that the FW42 is going to be another dog of a car, 2 seconds slower than last year's car which was already the slowest car on the grid.  It feels this will be an even more painful year. 
    Poster formerly known as Williamsfan.

    Offline Scott

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #16 on: February 18, 2019, 09:22:15 PM »
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  • They just can’t get a break, can they?  The hole is getting quite deep.
    The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

    Online Luke

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #17 on: February 18, 2019, 09:30:24 PM »
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  • It is really not a good time to be a fan, sadly.  I sincerely hope these rumours are all unfounded, but Autosport do not 'usually' publish based on hearsay. 
    Poster formerly known as Williamsfan.

    Offline John S

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #18 on: February 18, 2019, 10:15:27 PM »
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  • If Paddy has offered his resignation they should accept it, what the hell has he been overseeing?  ::)
    Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

    Online Luke

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #19 on: February 18, 2019, 10:19:30 PM »
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  • If Paddy has offered his resignation they should accept it, what the hell has he been overseeing?  ::)

    A blooming good lunch, by all accounts!
    Poster formerly known as Williamsfan.

    Offline John S

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #20 on: February 18, 2019, 10:53:17 PM »
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  • It appears that Williams has big problems with brake and cooling parts fitting together.  :swoon:  Here's what Ive found from other sources around the web.

    Judge13.com are reporting Deeper trouble at Williams :-

    "Later this evening, there have been two additional unconfirmed sources suggesting that Williams are in deeper trouble than first thought.
    Firstly, an claimed ‘insider’ on an F1 website forum says that the main issue with the team is ill fitting parts.
    “The completion of the Williams FW42 was delayed by a design fault in the braking system, which was only discovered while building the car last week; it required parts to be redesigned and manufactured”
    Publishing rumour from unknown sources isn’t always a good idea, but the same user claims his source at Grove passed on the information that enabled to correctly predicted Williams’ title sponsor and the colors of the livery for 2019. And looking back

    “Ok, the issue is with the installation of the braking system along with all the cooling ducts. We are having problems with building the car because of it and it needs to be redesigned again.” says the source.
    “The problem was identified last week. The current plan is to fly the partially built car tomorrow evening and the car will arrive to the track at 2AM on wednesday where we will burn the midnight oil so we can finally hit the track with the FW42 at noon. All the non-problematic parts are boxed and ready to go.”
    “Heard that some Williams trucks has exited the factory. I dont know if the fixed parts are on the way. Probably not yet, but at least something is moving.”
    When quizzed what exactly was the problem, the source replied:

    “It was badly designed. It’s not a manufactuing issue. The bits arent aligning properly and it’s impossible to build the braking system. They simply dont fit.”


    More problems with Paddy Lowes design claims the BBC
    BBC’s F1 writer Andrew Benson claims many things, but in fairness to AB he does have some fingers in some pies over at Grove and today he published this damning report on Paddy Lowes 2019 FW42 design.

    “The car is still at the team’s factory in Grove, Oxfordshire, and the current hope is that it will be ready to fly to Spain late on Tuesday,”
    “That means it is unlikely at this stage that the car will run first thing Wednesday morning, but the team are hoping to get it out on track at some stage that day.”
    “The delay is leading to the speculation about the future of chief technical office Paddy Lowe, who joined from Mercedes in 2017 and is ultimately responsible for the car.”
    “Just as concerning for Williams, insiders say that the car doesn’t look like it will be quick when it does finally hit the track.”
    “Sources say that the car projected to be as much as two seconds slower than last year’s, which was already the slowest on the grid.”
    “Rule changes to front wings have reduced downforce but many team have clawed a large part of it back.”
    “If the word from inside the team is accurate, Williams could be facing a season adrift from the rest of the field.”
     
    Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

    Offline Alianora La Canta

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #21 on: February 19, 2019, 06:07:51 AM »
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  • If The Judge is correct, they've missed the bigger issue.

    If Williams only found out about the problem when building the car last week, that means that as of last week, the car wasn't built yet.

    You can't send a car to be crash-tested until it is built.

    You can't test a car until it passes the crash test, and said test lasts an entire week, Monday-Friday, not modifiable by the teams.  (It's possible under The Judge's theory those lorries could be off to Paris for that testing but there would be no point taking them to Barcelona without stopping off there first).

    Therefore, if this is the reason, Williams can't possibly participate in this test, because the earliest they could pass the crash test is next Friday (i.e. just in time for the second test). If they want any testing at all, they must pass that test, so they'll need to be conservative regarding how the car is, but that's relatively minor at this point - on this theory, they're guaranteed to miss 50% of testing. And they're worried enough not to admit this upfront, suggesting something large (such as sponsor money) is riding on how said non-participation is handled... ...which could lead to a heavy price down the road due to burning up that amount of goodwill advertising. Note that the first test is televised this year, but the second probably is not.
    « Last Edit: February 19, 2019, 06:11:00 AM by Alianora La Canta »
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    Offline Calman

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #22 on: February 19, 2019, 06:12:38 AM »
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  • Hmmm ... like I outlined in another topic around here, I now worry that Williams could be in a more alarming position than that of 2018 (if that is even possible???).

    Poor George Russell, having to put on a brave face, before he has even stepped in the car, suggesting that the "lack of a car" at this early point in PST is not as much of a panic situation as you would expect.  Hmmmm.

    Best Regards,
    Cal :)
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    Offline Alianora La Canta

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #23 on: February 19, 2019, 06:15:49 AM »
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  • They are in a worse position than 2018. At least this time last year they had a car in a testable state (the tests were a week later, but it must have been crash-testable at least).

    Of course, if the new car turns out to be way faster than the gloomy people predict (and that "2 seconds" prediction cannot be based on solid evidence, surely...), we'll have half-forgotten about this by mid-season and the Williams crew can laugh about it. Hope it turns out that way.
    Percussus resurgio
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    Offline Calman

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #24 on: February 19, 2019, 06:20:43 AM »
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  • I watched one of the Williams launch video clips.  Claire Williams face told a story at one segment.  Almost glancing across at the car saying "So ... how much pain are you going to create for us in 2019?".

    However, just like the wishes of McLaren fans, I hope Williams turns that corner ... and QUICKLY.

    Best Regards,
    Cal :)
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    Offline Robem64

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #25 on: February 19, 2019, 07:22:32 AM »
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  • I fear that George and Robert could well be spending more of this season defending the car in the mix zone than driving it and being competitive!
    "I'm not a pessimist, I'm an optimist with experience"

    Offline John S

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #26 on: February 19, 2019, 12:59:35 PM »
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  • If The Judge is correct, they've missed the bigger issue.

    If Williams only found out about the problem when building the car last week, that means that as of last week, the car wasn't built yet.

    You can't send a car to be crash-tested until it is built.


    Alia, surely the crash tests are on the chassis and nose cone without all the rest of the car fitted out. They are checking for driver safety from the integrity of the tub and the nose cone, the so called survival cell.

    I'd be mighty surprised if Williams hadn't already got that part signed off.

    The problems seem to have shown up last minute as they've been employing a rather ambitious just in time final build...…… Oh and they got their sums wrong.  :D
    Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

    Offline Jericoke

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #27 on: February 19, 2019, 03:16:37 PM »
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  • If The Judge is correct, they've missed the bigger issue.

    If Williams only found out about the problem when building the car last week, that means that as of last week, the car wasn't built yet.

    You can't send a car to be crash-tested until it is built.

    You can't test a car until it passes the crash test, and said test lasts an entire week, Monday-Friday, not modifiable by the teams.  (It's possible under The Judge's theory those lorries could be off to Paris for that testing but there would be no point taking them to Barcelona without stopping off there first).

    Therefore, if this is the reason, Williams can't possibly participate in this test, because the earliest they could pass the crash test is next Friday (i.e. just in time for the second test). If they want any testing at all, they must pass that test, so they'll need to be conservative regarding how the car is, but that's relatively minor at this point - on this theory, they're guaranteed to miss 50% of testing. And they're worried enough not to admit this upfront, suggesting something large (such as sponsor money) is riding on how said non-participation is handled... ...which could lead to a heavy price down the road due to burning up that amount of goodwill advertising. Note that the first test is televised this year, but the second probably is not.

    Maybe they're planning to use the 'Brawn Rule':  Miss pre season testing all together, show up in Australia with a part of questionable legality, and then dare the FIA to ban them.

    Online Luke

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #28 on: February 19, 2019, 07:25:12 PM »
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  • Apparently the FW42 will be in Barcelona early tomorrow morning and may hit the track after lunch.  I do hope so, and I sincerely hope that this talk of slow pace is just talk and not the reality. 
    Poster formerly known as Williamsfan.

    Offline Dare

    Re: Williams really are a team in crisis
    « Reply #29 on: February 19, 2019, 11:50:36 PM »
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  • Luke on another site someone commented Frank Williams was
    horrible at running his team. Pat Head came on and they started
    winning and now that's he's gone their bad again. Your the GPW
    Williams expert so what do you think?
    "The
    democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
    who are
    willing to work and give to those who would not."
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