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Author Topic: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability  (Read 4108 times)

Offline Robem64

Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« on: August 22, 2018, 11:24:43 AM »
Oh dear....i dread to think what it might be!

https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/19544


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Offline Jericoke

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2018, 03:04:44 PM »
There are plenty of ways to ensure 'fair' racing.  However, they do not coincide with investment from Mercedes and continued support from Ferrari.

I think the sport is scared to continue without those two big names.  (Unless they can be replaced by other equally big names)

The three 'easiest' ways to bring fair competition to the sport would be:
  • Fixed budget - all teams have identical resources
  • Spec design - everyone runs the same car
  • Technology sharing - each team is allowed access to the research done by other teams to copy designs/techniques

I'm not endorsing these ideas, but I'm suggesting they're the easiest ways to close the gap between have/have not teams.

Offline Scott

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2018, 03:47:00 PM »
I think the best way would be to reign in the complexity.  Primarily aero.  Dumb down the outside of the cars so they can get close to each other and race.

Then look at the engine regulations after we’ve seen what aero changes have done.  Little steps...probably the best way to hold onto the likes of Ferrari and Mercedes.
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Offline Calman

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2018, 05:29:06 PM »
"Liberty Media plan to fix predictability" ... that was predictable!!

1) What are they going to do, ensure every second car on the grid is sporting a Nascar body shell???  :DD
2) Implement Cheer Leaders at the entry of the pits, for all cars to carefully drive around???  :DD
3) 15 minute "time out, stop the clock" ... and many, Many, MANY more commercial breaks???  :DD
4) Or my favourite, a Mustang pulls along side the leader, where an interviewer like "Ed Winchester" stands on a trailer and attempts to interview the driver at 160mph!!!  :DD
5) All of the above!!!

Credit:  Police Academy, The Fast Show

Best Regards,
Cal :)
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2018, 06:36:06 PM »
F1, for most of its existence, has been predictable. There have been dominate cars and drivers regularly. Lotus 25/Clark won 7/10 in '63, Lotus 33 won 6/9 in '65,  McLaren MP4/4 with Senna and Prost, Williams FW14B was so dominate they changed the rules to outlaw it. Any car Schumacher drove was likely to win. Worry about the passing problem and leave the rest of it.
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Offline Irisado

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2018, 07:22:42 PM »
I have no problem with teams dominating, but the reliability has become such that they hardly ever break down and the drivers rarely make any mistakes.  This makes the domination feel even more acute than it actually is.  It's the quality of the racing that needs to be fixed.  No more DRS, no more tyres falling off the cliff, no more driving around to save fuel and tyres, and reduced aerodynamic dependency.  The passes need to be meaningful and the drivers need to be going flat out.  Sort that out and the show will be a lot better even if only a few teams win races.
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Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2018, 07:08:08 AM »
Don't be surprised if the plan to fix predictability increases it.
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Offline Calman

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2018, 07:19:05 AM »
Don't be surprised if the plan to fix predictability increases it.

You mean ... we could eventually be witnessing the Quality Control Team on a Tinned Pea Conveyor Belt???  :DD

Best Regards,
Cal :)
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Offline Andy B

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2018, 08:32:16 AM »
There are plenty of ways to ensure 'fair' racing.  However, they do not coincide with investment from Mercedes and continued support from Ferrari.

I think the sport is scared to continue without those two big names.  (Unless they can be replaced by other equally big names)

The three 'easiest' ways to bring fair competition to the sport would be:
  • Fixed budget - all teams have identical resources
  • Spec design - everyone runs the same car
  • Technology sharing - each team is allowed access to the research done by other teams to copy designs/techniques

I'm not endorsing these ideas, but I'm suggesting they're the easiest ways to close the gap between have/have not teams.

These suggestions would destroy the sport and I would see many, fans, Teams and engineers, walk away and I would be one of them.
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Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2018, 11:17:44 AM »
There are plenty of ways to ensure 'fair' racing.  However, they do not coincide with investment from Mercedes and continued support from Ferrari.

I think the sport is scared to continue without those two big names.  (Unless they can be replaced by other equally big names)

The three 'easiest' ways to bring fair competition to the sport would be:
  • Fixed budget - all teams have identical resources
  • Spec design - everyone runs the same car
  • Technology sharing - each team is allowed access to the research done by other teams to copy designs/techniques

I'm not endorsing these ideas, but I'm suggesting they're the easiest ways to close the gap between have/have not teams.


So essentially Indycars then Jeri.   ;) :D :tease:

It really works for them don't it. :DD :DD :DD
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Offline Calman

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2018, 04:54:24 PM »
Fixed Budget would be the only option I would encourage! (providing a figure was arrived at, which wasn't a stretch for lower teams to meet).

Formula 1 has always struck me as a VERY advanced Reality TV program, where a bunch of contestants are given a set of tools to design the best bla bla bla, within certain guidelines/timeline.   If Formula 1 ever moved away from this premise, it would destroy the sport completely.  Let's face it, from the 90's until now, a lot of damage has already been done, where I worry that LM could completely 'get it wrong' and put the final nail in the coffin!! ... (as they 'think' they know how to improve the sport and 'take it to new heights' .... but clearly don't have a friggin' clue!!)

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Offline Jericoke

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2018, 08:11:13 PM »
There are plenty of ways to ensure 'fair' racing.  However, they do not coincide with investment from Mercedes and continued support from Ferrari.

I think the sport is scared to continue without those two big names.  (Unless they can be replaced by other equally big names)

The three 'easiest' ways to bring fair competition to the sport would be:
  • Fixed budget - all teams have identical resources
  • Spec design - everyone runs the same car
  • Technology sharing - each team is allowed access to the research done by other teams to copy designs/techniques

I'm not endorsing these ideas, but I'm suggesting they're the easiest ways to close the gap between have/have not teams.


So essentially Indycars then Jeri.   ;) :D :tease:

It really works for them don't it. :DD :DD :DD

You laugh, and yet they cite making changes to appeal to Fernando Alonso specifically.  The same Fernando Alonso who is going to race IndyCar next year...

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Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2018, 11:19:19 PM »
Yeah they might think Nando is a god Jeri, the rest of us know he's just another driver and life goes on in F1.

I followed Indycars the year Mansell left F1 and then won the champ car series, but that was enough.

The hunger for F1 has never died so far but who knows if Liberty cocks it all up. 
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Offline cosworth151

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2018, 03:36:19 PM »
Maybe Liberty might consider choosing its venues on the basis of the quality of racing that the circuit provides, no just the pretty buildings in the background.
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Offline Calman

Re: Liberty Media plan to fix predictability
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2018, 04:42:13 PM »
Maybe Liberty might consider choosing its venues on the basis of the quality of racing that the circuit provides, no just the pretty buildings in the background.

Be very careful with assessments like that, as they will completely confuse Chase Carey & Sean Bratches!!!

"I thought pretty buildings and sparkly lights made the tracks better?"

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