Brazil GP, The Verstappens and Karma

[rmassart]

I guess what goes around comes around. Even if it is a generation later...

Max Verstappen, Brazil 2018: https://www.formula1.com/en/video.html

Jos Verstappen, Brazil 2001: 

[Monty]

So Max causes an accident (he did close Ocon out of the corner and he had no reason to fight with someone that was simply trying to gain a lap back), he then deliberately goes to find Ocon (premeditated) and assaults him (all while being filmed!). And for this he gets a 'public service order'!! He should be banned for the rest of the season for bringing the sport into disrepute. This boy isn't ready for Formula 1. Being a fast driver is only small part of what is required in the pinnacle of motor sport.

[Dare]

And the bad thing is Horner and crew back
Max up. I didn't think I could dislike him any
more...guess I was wrong again

[John S]

Karma sure is a strange thing. 

As I've said elsewhere it's all 'handbags at 5 paces' for me.

Max knows really he lost the win by his own stupidity, he's also been pushed into the mindset that nothing's his fault and he can walk on water, so like any confused child he lashes out. 

Race stewards had to react with penalty, you can't have a driver 2 laps down altering race results without consequences. 
It'd make even more nonsense of their bloody blue flag rule for a start. 


 

[rmassart]

Race stewards had to react with penalty, you can't have a driver 2 laps down altering race results without consequences. 

Maybe they could have given Max a five second penalty for his part in the collision! That would have put him down to fourth and DR up to third 

[John S]

Race stewards had to react with penalty, you can't have a driver 2 laps down altering race results without consequences. 

Maybe they could have given Max a five second penalty for his part in the collision! That would have put him down to fourth and DR up to third 

Penalising Ocon with highest penalty shows stewards put all blame on him.
I think they also took into account that Max had lost the race lead whilst Ocon lost 10 secs to add to 2mins or so he was already down on last place.   

I've never heard of both parties being given penalties, not sure it's possible? 

Usually if both pretty equal on blame it's given as no action, i.e. racing incident.

Maybe they should consider penalising both drivers when they do stupid things, they're always saying they want to spice up the races.     

[Alianora La Canta]

So Max causes an accident (he did close Ocon out of the corner and he had no reason to fight with someone that was simply trying to gain a lap back), he then deliberately goes to find Ocon (premeditated) and assaults him (all while being filmed!). And for this he gets a 'public service order'!! He should be banned for the rest of the season for bringing the sport into disrepute. This boy isn't ready for Formula 1. Being a fast driver is only small part of what is required in the pinnacle of motor sport.

F3 banned Nikita Mazepin from a race for thumping Callum Ilott in 2016. It seemed to do Nikita the world of good, even if he moaned about it at the time. Max would have benefitted from similar treatment, though F1 would not have been on solid ground had it attempted to do so because all previous assaults in F1 have had lighter (or no) penalty - I think the worst one it's ever given was a $10,000 to Jarno Trulli because he was so busy arguing with Adrian Sutil in Brazil 2009 that he forgot to obey a marshal.

[Scott]

Two separate incidents for me.  Ocon should have yielded the corner once it was apparent that Max had no intention of letting him past.

But the incident after the race was completely premeditated (he even talked about doing it on his slow down lap on the radio).  It was so inevitable the way he was constantly looking around for Ocon even while he was being interviewed.  Glad Ocon took the higher road and just put his hands up and shook his head.  Max is a bully on track, and a bully off track.  I suppose it won’t be long before someone puts him on his ass if anything similar happens.  And talking about enablers, the FIA has let Max know that there will be no punishment, so have at it the next time.

[Jericoke]

Two separate incidents for me.  Ocon should have yielded the corner once it was apparent that Max had no intention of letting him past.

But the incident after the race was completely premeditated (he even talked about doing it on his slow down lap on the radio).  It was so inevitable the way he was constantly looking around for Ocon even while he was being interviewed.  Glad Ocon took the higher road and just put his hands up and shook his head.  Max is a bully on track, and a bully off track.  I suppose it won’t be long before someone puts him on his ass if anything similar happens.  And talking about enablers, the FIA has let Max know that there will be no punishment, so have at it the next time.

Ocon has literally nothing to lose by taking this chance, and everything to gain.  Max needs to build this awareness of other drivers.  The rest of the grid has wised up to his game, and they give him room (I suppose that counts as a win for Max).  Max has to be aware of the motives of other drivers as he's passing them, are they willing to take a risk?

As for off track... ice hockey has been coming down on fighting, and it is almost eliminated from the top level of the sport.  Even UFC, where the only thing they do is fight, is serious about penalizing fighters who fight outside of the ring.  When UFC makes the FIA look like a joke, there's a big problem.

[Monty]

I am feeling particularly smug now that various pundits are agreeing that Ocon was not in the wrong and probably should not have been penalised.
The on-board video and audio now clarify that Ocon was much faster than Verstappen; that Force India told Ocon to overtake; and that Verstappen knew Ocon was there and Red Bull had warned him that Ocon was very fast due to new tyres.
Verstappen had no reason to fight Ocon and definitely squeezed Ocon at the apex. Therefore, the accident was completely Verstappen's fault.

[Ian]

I can't wait to see a driver put Verstappen on his backside, although they would probably get a bigger penalty than they'd ever give Verstappen.