This should be interesting!

[TimmyTime]

The last 12 German WDC's have all bar one been because of having team mates in their pockets. The other was because Hamilton's car, let's be blunt, was sabotaged so Rosberg could win in a German car before running away.
Limited talent, little grace and zero gentleman's attitude.

Button for example, such a nice guy, hard fought world title against a charging Red Bull and equal team mate, done in stlye!!

Schumacher had no class and no trust in his own ability.

Patriotic post over LOL

[Alonsofan]

The last 12 German WDC's have all bar one been because of having team mates in their pockets. The other was because Hamilton's car, let's be blunt, was sabotaged so Rosberg could win in a German car before running away.
Limited talent, little grace and zero gentleman's attitude.

Button for example, such a nice guy, hard fought world title against a charging Red Bull and equal team mate, done in stlye!!

Schumacher had no class and no trust in his own ability.

Patriotic post over LOL

 
I take it Baaaaa that you don't like German's much...hehe.
Oh well, at least you didn't mention the war 

[TimmyTime]

The last 12 German WDC's have all bar one been because of having team mates in their pockets. The other was because Hamilton's car, let's be blunt, was sabotaged so Rosberg could win in a German car before running away.
Limited talent, little grace and zero gentleman's attitude.

Button for example, such a nice guy, hard fought world title against a charging Red Bull and equal team mate, done in stlye!!

Schumacher had no class and no trust in his own ability.

Patriotic post over LOL

 
I take it Baaaaa that you don't like German's much...hehe.
Oh well, at least you didn't mention the war 

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What gives you that idea? LOL

Don't worry I am not like this guy..



I am far more subtle...like these guys

[Scott]

You openly admit he wasn't the fastest,  didn't have the best race craft and had to resort to incidents not to be proud of. How can he be great? Yes he won 7 world titles but he cheated at Benetton to win 1 of those and had his team mate in his pocket for all 7!! I have 4 words for you

Alonsofan, “the fastest” is not worth arguing.  There of enough situations when any driver is proven not to be the fastest, even your chosen one.  I was generalizing and just trying to get those arguments off the table.  As for cheating, F1 is a sport that glorifies cheating in technical aspects and many drivers racecraft could easily be charged as cheating.  It’s a judge and jury kind of thing if you ask me.  Depending on your leanings, one thing is considered by one to be unsportsmanlike, and to another - cheating.  Saying it doesn’t make it so.

The last 12 German WDC's have all bar one been because of having team mates in their pockets. The other was because Hamilton's car, let's be blunt, was sabotaged so Rosberg could win in a German car before running away.

Limited talent, little grace and zero gentleman's attitude.

Button for example, such a nice guy, hard fought world title against a charging Red Bull and equal team mate, done in stlye!!

Schumacher had no class and no trust in his own ability.

Patriotic post over LOL

I’ll never accept conspiracy theories.  Rosberg won because he was particularly fast that season, and had more luck than Hamilton.  It can come down to just that sometimes, especially between drivers in a dominant car.

What does Button being a nice guy have to with anything?  He wasn’t always, in fact early on his career he was a proper dickhead in many situations and arrogant as hell.  But he matured into a really likeable guy.  Don’t ignore the fact that the Brawn had a diffuser advantage no other car on the field had, and that alone gave Button the opportunity to win.  He had some luck, drove well and made few mistakes, but the Brawn diffuser gave him the WDC.

Schumacher had a lot of class off the track.  He was and remains the most generous driver philanthropist in modern F1 history.  For him the F1 show was just that - a show, and he used a certain persona in public which by all accounts was very different than his private self.  Say what you want, but the guy has class.

[Alonsofan]

No matter what spin you put on it Scott cheating is cheating.

The thing is with Fernando, he may have got help with team orders on some occasions but when he did he had already earned the right to benefit from them by challenging for the WDC and being ahead of his team mate. On the other hand, Schumacher had a contracted number two driver from race one every season.
For me personally I always question Schumacher's mental belief. I mean if he was 'so good' why couldn't he challenge his team mate on track?? Maybe he was scared of his team mates, or being shown up on track?

Schumacher was always a bit predictable for my liking. For all these reasons I have no respect for him and what he stands for.

[lkjohnson1950]

You won't convince me Scott. Al Capone was known for his donations to various Chicago charities, didn't make him any less a cold blooded, sadistic killer. Running into your competition to win the WDC is cheating, whether you're German, French or Brazilian.

[Dare]

No matter what spin you put on it Scott cheating is cheating.

The thing is with Fernando, he may have got help with team orders on some occasions but when he did he had already earned the right to benefit from them by challenging for the WDC and being ahead of his team mate. On the other hand, Schumacher had a contracted number two driver from race one every season.
For me personally I always question Schumacher's mental belief. I mean if he was 'so good' why couldn't he challenge his team mate on track?? Maybe he was scared of his team mates, or being shown up on track?

Schumacher was always a bit predictable for my liking. For all these reasons I have no respect for him and what he stands for.

If you don't think Fisichella was under team orders you
need to look at the past more closely. hehe

[Alonsofan]

Schumacher had a lot of class off the track.  He was and remains the most generous driver philanthropist in modern F1 history.  For him the F1 show was just that - a show, and he used a certain persona in public which by all accounts was very different than his private self.  Say what you want, but the guy has class.

Class!?!? Let's ask these people if this is 'class'

Hill


Villeneuve


Coulthard


Not sure any of these incidents show 'class' In the Coulthard clip it more shows a sulky brat blaming someone else for his own c*ck up. If I was Coulthard and he marched into my garage whilst I still had my crash helmet on, I would have nutted the twat.

The other two clips just shows blatant cheating.

[Calman]

Yes, memorable clips and I remember each one of them clearly!!!!

I wish Michael reached DC that day, Coulthard would have THUMPED him!!

Best Regards,
Cal

[Dare]

no translation needed

[Scott]

You won't convince me Scott. Al Capone was known for his donations to various Chicago charities, didn't make him any less a cold blooded, sadistic killer. Running into your competition to win the WDC is cheating, whether you're German, French or Brazilian.

I was disputing the “no class” comment with regards to the philanthropy etc.  He made some desperate moves to prevent losing on a few occasions, but so did others.  If it was cheating, then he was punished (DQ’d for a year was his worst I think).

It doesn’t justify the conspiracy theories about team orders or what was written into contracts.  Aside from a very few occasions when the team decided it was necessary to change the order, Schumi easily had the speed on his teammates.  Show me proof to dispute it.  There were, and still are rumors about what is/was in whose contract, but unless one is published, it’s BS to pretend anyone knows.

[Alonsofan]

no translation needed

Thanks for supporting my point above Dare 

As I have already stated, yes Fernando did receive team  orders, when earned and necessary.
I believe that is the Turkish F1 race in 2005. This was race 14 of the calendar of a 19 race season. Fernando was fighting Kimi for the title who was winning the race. Therefore Renault did what all teams would and let their championship challenging driver become second.

To be honest Dare, you could have found an English clip 

[Alonsofan]

You won't convince me Scott. Al Capone was known for his donations to various Chicago charities, didn't make him any less a cold blooded, sadistic killer. Running into your competition to win the WDC is cheating, whether you're German, French or Brazilian.

I was disputing the “no class” comment with regards to the philanthropy etc.  He made some desperate moves to prevent losing on a few occasions, but so did others.  If it was cheating, then he was punished (DQ’d for a year was his worst I think).

It doesn’t justify the conspiracy theories about team orders or what was written into contracts.  Aside from a very few occasions when the team decided it was necessary to change the order, Schumi easily had the speed on his teammates.  Show me proof to dispute it.  There were, and still are rumors about what is/was in whose contract, but unless one is published, it’s BS to pretend anyone knows.

I will take you back to 2002 Scott. Cast your mind back if you can.
It is race 6 of the season and Schumacher is dominating the season after winning 4 of the 5 first races.
Along came Austria.



Team orders to let Schumacher win. Embarrassing for him, Ferrari and F1 as not needed. I believe basically Rubens was reminded of his contract and asked if he wanted to keep it.
In other words Rubens, "Heel boy, master has spoken"

[Scott]

I saw it and remember it...what I’m having trouble with, is you pinning it on Schumacher and not the team.  Proves nothing.

[Alonsofan]

I saw it and remember it...what I’m having trouble with, is you pinning it on Schumacher and not the team.  Proves nothing.

For Barrichello to be reminded of his contractual obligations shows Schumacher had Ferrari in his pocket and wanted his team mates, in this case  Rubens, always as a number 2.
There was no need for Ferrari to switch them as they the scored the same amount of points. It was simply to keep Schumacher from having another hissy fit.