collapse

* Welcome

Welcome to GPWizard F1 Forum!

GPWizard is the friendliest F1 forum you'll find anywhere. You have a host of new like-minded friends waiting to welcome you.

So what are you waiting for? Becoming a member is easy and free! Take a couple seconds out of your day and register now. We guarantee, you wont be sorry you did.

Click Here to become a full Member for Free

* User Info

 
 
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

* Poppy Appeal

* Newsletter

GPWizard F1 Forum Newsletter Email address:
Weekly
Fortnightly
Monthly

* Grid Game Deadlines

Qualifying

Race

* Shoutbox

Refresh History
  • Wizzo: Chat room now available. See you in there
    July 05, 2020, 02:05:12 PM
  • cosworth151: Hey Wizzo. I can see that you & dd are in the chat room but I can't get in!
    July 05, 2020, 02:04:26 PM
  • Wizzo: Hi Andy, ill look at this tomorrow.  Thanks
    May 19, 2020, 10:08:09 PM
  • Andy B: Hi Wiz, I have tried to make a donation using my UK bank account but PayPal will not accept the card as I live in NZ and have a UK card? This is not your problem but is there a way I can just pay directly with a Visa card?
    May 18, 2020, 10:41:51 PM
  • Wizzo: GPW will be down from approximately 13:30 tomorrow until the migration to the new server is complete. Once the site is "live" on the new server it could take another 24-48 hours to become accessible to all users.
    May 14, 2020, 03:18:44 PM
  • Wizzo: I've made some changes to GPW. Try it now
    April 29, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
  • lkjohnson1950: Hey Wiz, Quarantine Diaries doesn't display right for me. The bottom is cut off of the page and I can't see any post after Alia's.
    April 28, 2020, 08:13:44 PM
  • Dare: Hope your doing ok Braden...just now saw your comment. Don't be a stanger
    April 20, 2020, 04:04:18 AM
  • BraydenSoh: Hi everyone! How's life? Hope everybody still doing well!
    April 13, 2020, 03:48:17 PM
  • Wizzo: Session problem now solved. Thanks
    February 05, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
  • John S: Hey! Anyone else notice the huge number of guests on the site today - Wow!!  :yahoo:
    December 03, 2019, 08:38:00 PM
  • Wizzo: Please note: Japanese qualifying times have been updated.
    October 11, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
  • Scott: I'll be in chat for a change...hope some others will make it too.
    September 07, 2019, 08:58:16 PM
  • cosworth151: This Sunday is Mothers Day here in the States. I'll be helping with the free breakfast we do at our Amvets Post every M's Day, so I'll be popping in and out of the Chat Room
    May 10, 2019, 03:57:04 PM
  • Wizzo: Mothers day here in the UK so I will be absent in the chat room today. Have fun!
    March 31, 2019, 10:47:48 AM
  • Jericoke: For newcomers to GPWizard, make sure you check out the live chat during the race!  It's the best way to turn a dull race into a great time, and the cherry on top of a great race!  (I won't be able to attend Aussie though)
    March 15, 2019, 07:48:58 PM
  • Wizzo: The 2019 Grid Game is now open. Please check out the new rules before entering.
    February 17, 2019, 04:56:33 PM
  • John S: Glad the site is back online, we don't know how much we like it til it's gone. Thanks Wizzo.
    February 02, 2019, 09:19:33 PM
  • Calman: Glad to see you back online Wizzo.  Did the issue point to a corrupted MySQL Data Table?
    February 02, 2019, 08:53:13 PM
  • Wizzo: I apologise for the downtime. Normal service has been resumed.
    February 02, 2019, 07:53:12 PM

* Who's Online

  • Dot Guests: 58
  • Dot Hidden: 0
  • Dot Users: 0

There aren't any users online.

* Top Posters

cosworth151 cosworth151
15462 Posts
Scott Scott
13949 Posts
Dare Dare
12492 Posts
John S John S
10336 Posts
Ian Ian
9693 Posts

Author Topic: Grosjean a Menace  (Read 989 times)

Offline Willy

Grosjean a Menace
« on: March 30, 2019, 10:50:48 PM »
Romain Grosjean must bring a bucket full of cash or sponsor money to HAAS to be able to keep his place on the grid. it is not enough to allow him to continue. This guy is dangerous and should be banned from F1. His latest fiasco impeding Norris in quali just shows he has no idea what he is doing or where he should be on track at any time.  He is going to cause an accident...not if but when. Cut him loose Gene!



guest3164

  • Guest
Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2019, 11:01:16 PM »
To be fair, Norris said Grosjean had no chance of getting out of the way as he had just been overtaken by Vettel and had to slow down to give himself space for a flying lap.

Offline Calman

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2019, 11:42:36 PM »
I'm neither here, nor there, on my support for Romain, but to be fair, the team should have some responsibility in letting the driver know that a car on a fast lap is approaching.  From discussions in Qualy, Haas is the only team which do not supply this level of radio communication, which seems nuts to me!!! ... so on that basis, I don't personally hold Romain 100% responsible.

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Anyone Have A Decent Pen?

Offline Scott

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2019, 12:53:17 AM »
He had a ton of time to check his mirrors, I think everyone who saw the incident was wondering why that car was sitting on the racing line going slowly for so LONG!  Then when he finally realized it, he spun his tires and practically off the track.  Radio support or not, I throw that in his lap.
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline Calman

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2019, 08:15:45 AM »
In my opinion, his error was in holding the racing line and not checking his mirrors at key moments, so yes, a lot of the blame will and on his lap. However, the team can't escape without portion of the blame, especially as the pundits clearly underlined the fact that it's far from ideal, where Haas radio communications are concerned.

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Anyone Have A Decent Pen?

Offline John S

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2019, 12:20:20 PM »
"The speed differential was 136 km/h at the point where Norris had to take avoiding action," stated the Stewards' report, why the hell hasn't the Hass been sent to the back of the grid is my complaint. Not only did Romain lose Lando time he also put both drivers in acute danger of injury or worse.  >:(
The FIA is always banging on about driver safety but then give a paltry 3 place grid drop for such dangerous driving from Grosjean and Haas.  :crazy:   

The team bears some responsibility as well as the driver and the only way I can see Haas stepping up to their responsibility and giving radio guidance of approaching cars is to put Grosjean at the back of the field.  |-(

Now it seems Haas' Steiner is claiming Vettel was the cause of this whole situation and his driver should not have got a penalty point on his licence. Here's Grosjean's view of incident:-

"I think it's Vettel that made a mess here, he didn't really respect the unwritten rule that you don't overtake before the last corner," explained Grosjean.
"He passed the queue, came in front of me, so that gave me another three or four seconds to wait.
“We had not accounted for the fact that Vettel would do that, therefore we thought we were clear of Norris. That's probably why they didn't tell me that Norris was on a flying lap.
Courtesy F1i.com, today.


Guenther, Vettel probably did that because his team warned him Norris was on a push lap behind, however it's still your team and drivers responsibility to avoid potential life threatening meandering on the racing line by your cars.  :P
I'd go further Willy both Grosjean and Haas are menaces.   
« Last Edit: March 31, 2019, 12:25:40 PM by John S »
Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline Willy

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2019, 05:33:56 PM »
My thoughts were not just focused on the Bahrain quali incident but Grosjean's amazing ability to put other drivers in danger just driving near him. He has shown bad judgement and behaviour in every race he is in.
I may be harsh but I feel he a danger to everyone on track.

Offline Alonsofan

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2019, 06:47:01 PM »
My thoughts were not just focused on the Bahrain quali incident but Grosjean's amazing ability to put other drivers in danger just driving near him. He has shown bad judgement and behaviour in every race he is in.
I may be harsh but I feel he a danger to everyone on track.

I totally agree with you. He is dangerous and he is rubbish. How is he still a driver???

Offline cosworth151

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2019, 03:48:24 PM »
Even Lando says that Romain was "screwed over" by Vettel. I reckon he should know what really happened. Between that and the lack of radio support Grosjean didn't have a chance.

https://news.yahoo.com/norris-vettel-screwed-over-penalised-184316868.html
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

guest3164

  • Guest
Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2019, 06:38:39 PM »
Even Lando says that Romain was "screwed over" by Vettel. I reckon he should know what really happened. Between that and the lack of radio support Grosjean didn't have a chance.

https://news.yahoo.com/norris-vettel-screwed-over-penalised-184316868.html

I said the same above Cos, Grosjean had little chance if his team do not warn him.  He is focusing on his own warm up lap, he needed information from his team but he did not get it. 

Offline Calman

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2019, 07:07:16 PM »
I'm glad some of you see both sides of this debate, as I can't blame Romain 100% for the incident.  If anything, Haas should have received a fine IMHO.

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Anyone Have A Decent Pen?

Offline Jericoke

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2019, 08:40:43 PM »
Even Lando says that Romain was "screwed over" by Vettel. I reckon he should know what really happened. Between that and the lack of radio support Grosjean didn't have a chance.

https://news.yahoo.com/norris-vettel-screwed-over-penalised-184316868.html

I said the same above Cos, Grosjean had little chance if his team do not warn him.  He is focusing on his own warm up lap, he needed information from his team but he did not get it.

With only 20 cars on track, it wouldn't be difficult for each driver to have their own FIA spotter who's job is to warn drivers of any potential problems they face immediately.  Or maybe a spotter responsible for each corner/section of track?

Historically auto racing uses flags to communicate, but why not a radio?  Other sports allow direct communication between athletes and officials.

Offline Calman

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2019, 09:50:14 PM »
You have to wonder if part of the problem stems from the ruling to limit a large amount of communication/info between team & driver?

As of 2019, I'm not sure what they can and can't share with a driver, but surely a fast car approaching would overrule any communication limitations??

Best Regards,
Cal :)
Anyone Have A Decent Pen?

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Grosjean a Menace
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2019, 10:00:51 PM »
You have to wonder if part of the problem stems from the ruling to limit a large amount of communication/info between team & driver?

As of 2019, I'm not sure what they can and can't share with a driver, but surely a fast car approaching would overrule any communication limitations??

Best Regards,
Cal :)

It does (these days, the rule only covers coded chat - so you can talk all you want about the car as long as you use plain language - and abuse against named FIA officials), but drivers get blue flag lights in their cockpit too, so it's not really an excuse even then!
Percussus resurgio
@lacanta (Twitter)
http://alianoralacanta.tumblr.com (Blog/Tumblr)

 


SimplePortal 2.3.6 © 2008-2014, SimplePortal
Menu Editor Pro 1.0 | Copyright 2013, Matthew Kerle