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Author Topic: Grosjean Accident  (Read 1339 times)

Online cosworth151

Re: Grosjean Accident
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2020, 03:59:10 PM »
Here's a slo-mo, 3-D computer animation of the crash. It shows what happened step by step. It looks like one of the guard rail support posts cause the car to split in half.

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Offline Scott

Re: Grosjean Accident
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2020, 12:52:03 PM »
Yeah it looked like that right away.  In the aftermath you could see where one post was missing and the other was bent, and that was just a short distance from where the cockpit ended up.
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Grosjean Accident
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2020, 10:25:18 PM »
It seems all the safety bits did their jobs except the onboard fire extinguishers. The halo, which I still think is ugly, was superb, pushing the Armco aside easily. The fire equipment needs to be re-examined to be sure it can activate even if the car is torn in half. Even 10 years ago, I think Romain could not have walked away from that horrific a crash.
Lonny

Offline jimclark

Re: Grosjean Accident
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2020, 11:47:05 PM »
Even 10 years ago, I think Romain could not have walked away from that horrific a crash.
Ten years nuttin'...... :p

As recent as 2017 Grosjean would have been "Ceverted/Koinigged" prior to the car's separation, or the fire......  :(
"Those were the days my friends. We thought they'd never end..."

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Online cosworth151

Re: Grosjean Accident
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2020, 04:18:34 PM »
Quote
The halo, which I still think is ugly
 

Take a look at IndyCar's Aero Screen. It's uglier than crap on a white horse. The Halo looks beautiful compared to it.

From a certain angle, the front of an IndyCar now looks like the head of one of the characters in the Spy vs Spy comics.
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Grosjean Accident
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2020, 07:34:55 PM »
I know, I know! Indy Car still is more competitive than F1. I'm not a fan of Roger Penske, but it will be interesting to see what he does with the series and the 500.
Lonny

Online John S

Re: Grosjean Accident
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2020, 07:54:10 PM »
I know, I know! Indy Car still is more competitive than F1.

 :o  I hope you meant to say closer racing, Lonny.  :swoon:

In the competitive stakes I can't think of any motor racing series anywhere so driven to produce better and more innovative solutions to grab just a tenth of a sec, or even less, over others than F1.

That exists all the way along the pitlane, though budget does limit some it's true.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Grosjean Accident
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2020, 08:22:12 PM »
I know, I know! Indy Car still is more competitive than F1.

 :o  I hope you meant to say closer racing, Lonny.  :swoon:

In the competitive stakes I can't think of any motor racing series anywhere so driven to produce better and more innovative solutions to grab just a tenth of a sec, or even less, over others than F1.

That exists all the way along the pitlane, though budget does limit some it's true.

I don't doubt that NASCAR and IndyCar are trying to get every tenth they can.  Sure, the rules are budgets are more constrained, but NASCAR has by far the best history of 'cheating' that Adrian Newey could only dream of.

As for IndyCar and innovation... I dare you to find a racecar anywhere in the world without a Gurney flap.

I haven't watched a lot of IndyCar in the last few years, but the Aeroscreen has introduced several problems.  There's the visibility, of course, both from the frame, and the non-cleanable window.  The 'enclosed' nature of the cockpit means drivers can't hear other cars nearby.  The lack of airflow past the driver makes summer racing in the southern USA especially hot.

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Grosjean Accident
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2020, 03:10:57 AM »
I know, I know! Indy Car still is more competitive than F1.

 :o  I hope you meant to say closer racing, Lonny.  :swoon:

In the competitive stakes I can't think of any motor racing series anywhere so driven to produce better and more innovative solutions to grab just a tenth of a sec, or even less, over others than F1.

That exists all the way along the pitlane, though budget does limit some it's true.

Most of F1's innovations are no longer applicable to everyday driving. Nearly all their time is spent on aero. Now the 2021 regs are going to limit even that. To me a series is "competitive" when you have lots of cars capable of winning and the championship goes down to the last race. F1 used to have that, it doesn't anymore. This year was an exception. Mercedes made 2 gigantic errors, pitting Lewis at Monza when the pits were closed, and totally pooching the stacked stops at Bahrain. That let 2 mid-pack teams steal wins. They were the most interesting races F1 has had in decades. Otherwise we've had Ferraris, then Red Bulls, then Mercs dominate. Not competitive.
Lonny

Offline jimclark

Re: Grosjean Accident
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2020, 11:10:03 AM »
Take a look at IndyCar's Aero Screen. It's uglier than crap on a white horse. The Halo looks beautiful compared to it.

From a certain angle, the front of an IndyCar now looks like the head of one of the characters in the Spy vs Spy comics.

:D
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