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Author Topic: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas  (Read 491 times)

Online Dare

Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« on: February 02, 2021, 07:31:20 PM »


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Offline Andy B

Re: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2021, 08:03:17 PM »
I expect he would done better than either of the Haas drivers though.
I'm quite puzzled why there is all this knocking LH's achievements it was not like this for Schumacher, Senna, Prost and Alonso so why LH?
It's pretty obvious that if you do not have a good car then you cannot win championships but LH has won in cars that were not championship winning cars.
I expect to remain puzzled!
Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

Offline John S

Re: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2021, 08:25:37 PM »
It's just Wrecker Romain sounding off as he himself will be consigned to the lower reaches of F1 history.  :( so  :(  |-(

I've always thought Grosjean was a waste of an F1 seat, so he's pissing in the wind as far as I'm concerned.  :fool:
- Just hope he's facing a head wind.  :D
Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Online Jericoke

Re: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2021, 09:50:19 PM »
Mercedes had an open seat, on a midfield team.  Anyone could have gone there, including Grosjean.  Yes, a champion needs to drive a championship winning car, but a champion also needs to plant his butt in said car.

Grosjean could have had Schmacher's seat, he could have had Rosberg's seat, and he seized neither opportunity.

Winning a championship is more than sitting in the winning car. It's more than being the most skilled driver.  Lewis Hamilton, like Schumacher, Prost, Alonso et al really can put together ALL the parts of a champion.

Offline John S

Re: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2021, 10:20:10 PM »
Mercedes had an open seat, on a midfield team.  Anyone could have gone there, including Grosjean.  Yes, a champion needs to drive a championship winning car, but a champion also needs to plant his butt in said car.

Grosjean could have had Schmacher's seat, he could have had Rosberg's seat, and he seized neither opportunity.


Aw come on Jeri,  ::) when was that ever gonna happen for 'Wrecker Romain'? After his long stint at Lotus/Renault, playing 2nd fiddle to Kimi & others he only managed to stay in F1 by opting to go with the unproven Haas Team, no one else wanted him.

To be successful you have to be fast and stay on the track. Too many times Grosjean has proved he can only carry speed when he's out of control, mainly relying on another car's bodywork to help him stay on track.  :D

Oh and incidentally he never managed a race win like his erstwhile Lotus team mate Maldonado managed in the 2013 season at Williams, that's proper F1 history.
You don't see Pastor or any other F1 winners poo pooing Lewis achievements, they have more gravitas - and also know how much it takes, & how special it is to win in F1, if only the once.     

« Last Edit: February 02, 2021, 10:26:13 PM by John S »
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2021, 11:24:12 PM »
I think he's right that LH would have difficulty in the Haas. I also think LH is a first rate driver who deserves his success, he has outmatched every teammate he faced. There was a small group of us who had no time for Schumacher, he would not be in my top 5 all time.
Lonny

Offline Andy B

Re: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2021, 03:53:49 AM »
I think he's right that LH would have difficulty in the Haas. I also think LH is a first rate driver who deserves his success, he has outmatched every teammate he faced. There was a small group of us who had no time for Schumacher, he would not be in my top 5 all time.

I agree whole heartedly Schumacher did not have a clean record whereas the drivers have said how LH is fair and clean but a hard racer. I too would have MS in my top 5 but I would have LH, SM, RP, JC and AP.
Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

Offline cosworth151

Re: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2021, 03:21:43 PM »
I recall a lot of criticism of Schumi. Some (including me) said he was a "dirty" driver. Many said it was just because of the dominance of Ferrari in the early 2000's. (In spite of the fact that he won a WDC in a Benetton-Ford). Senna also had his detractors.

I would remind Grosjean that he might have had a hard time scoring points in Lewis's Mercedes.
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Online Jericoke

Re: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2021, 05:57:20 PM »
I recall a lot of criticism of Schumi. Some (including me) said he was a "dirty" driver. Many said it was just because of the dominance of Ferrari in the early 2000's. (In spite of the fact that he won a WDC in a Benetton-Ford). Senna also had his detractors.

I would remind Grosjean that he might have had a hard time scoring points in Lewis's Mercedes.

I was never a fan of MS either.  He drove dirty for sure. But he put in the work to become a champion. Without his relentless testing and working with the team, I don't think that Ferrari would have been dominant in the 2000s.  I don't have to admire him, but Schumacher earned his championships.

Schumacher put in 4 years to help build Ferrari before he won a championship with them.  Even Lewis didn't need that much time to win a championship with Mercedes!

Has anyone stuck with a team like that?  (I'm asking,since my knowledge of F1 happens to start when MS joined Ferrari.  Villeneuve tried, and failed, with BAR.  Maybe Perez when he 'saved' Force India, if he'd stayed and they won.  Not sure Lance should get credit if Aston Martin wins next year)

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2021, 10:54:28 PM »
I have always said Schumacher won more with determination than raw talent. Nobody tested like he did. Obviously you have to be good to even drive in F1, but I think there have been many drivers with more pure talent than Michael. Jim Clark drove almost exclusively for Lotus and it took them 2 years to win, though Moss won in Rob Walker's Lotus first.
Lonny

Offline Andy B

Re: Hamilton wouldn't score points in a Haas
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2021, 11:31:27 PM »
It has been said by those who know that MS had to test the amount that he did as he not only lacked natural talent but also struggled in setting a car up so learnt to drive around problems. It was a teammate who said this but I cannot remember which one.
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