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Author Topic: Say it's isn't true  (Read 1639 times)

Offline Dare

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2021, 11:36:38 PM »
I thought they were trying to cut costs? How would sprints do that
« Last Edit: February 16, 2021, 12:09:18 AM by Dare »
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who are
willing to work and give to those who would not."
--
Thomas
Jefferson

Offline Andy B

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2021, 11:55:27 PM »
I thought they were trying to cut costs? How would sprints do that

No preserving the life of the engine in a sprint race plus the potential extra parts cost then there's the transporting more parts as more wings will get trimmed during racing rather than practice.
Are you listening Ross or shall we  bring Bernie back?  :yahoo:
« Last Edit: February 16, 2021, 12:10:09 AM by Dare »
Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

Offline John S

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2021, 04:23:34 PM »
I thought they were trying to cut costs? How would sprints do that

No preserving the life of the engine in a sprint race plus the potential extra parts cost then there's the transporting more parts as more wings will get trimmed during racing rather than practice.
Are you listening Ross or shall we  bring Bernie back?  :yahoo:

When you put it like that sounds like we are going to need rubber bumpers/fenders/front wings.  :DD 
Wonder what Newy can make of that.  :D

Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline cosworth151

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2021, 06:32:42 PM »
They might need to bring back the T car, to be sure nobody misses the main race by writing a car off in the Sprint.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Andy B

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2021, 08:27:06 PM »
They might need to bring back the T car, to be sure nobody misses the main race by writing a car off in the Sprint.

They dropped that due to the cost so I doubt that will happen but then again who knows? :DntKnw:
Once you have retired every day is a Saturday!

Offline Dare

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2021, 08:32:03 PM »
How about go-kart races. More passing and no
harm to the cars or engines
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2021, 11:47:20 PM »
I thought they were trying to cut costs? How would sprints do that

Even though they've been trying to cut costs, the ultimate goal is to make more money.  Qualifying sessions aren't as well attended as race days, therefore the promoters are selling fewer tickets, t-shirts and beers.  If more people show up on Saturdays, and Fridays to watch qualifying (pre qualifying?), then the FIA can ask for more money from the promoters, award bigger prizes to teams.  Further, if people watch Q/Sprint/Race, that's more eyeballs for sponsors, so larger contracts can be made.

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2021, 12:17:17 AM »
I thought they were trying to cut costs? How would sprints do that

No preserving the life of the engine in a sprint race plus the potential extra parts cost then there's the transporting more parts as more wings will get trimmed during racing rather than practice.
Are you listening Ross or shall we  bring Bernie back?  :yahoo:

On the contrary - the sprint races decide grid positions, so engines will be deliberately dialled back in the sprint races for everyone who isn't a contender for significant points.
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Offline cosworth151

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2021, 03:06:20 PM »
Quote
They dropped that due to the cost so I doubt that will happen but then again who knows?  :DntKnw: 

They did, but I stopped expecting logic or constancy from F1 years ago.
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline John S

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2021, 03:31:23 PM »
I thought they were trying to cut costs? How would sprints do that

No preserving the life of the engine in a sprint race plus the potential extra parts cost then there's the transporting more parts as more wings will get trimmed during racing rather than practice.
Are you listening Ross or shall we  bring Bernie back?  :yahoo:

On the contrary - the sprint races decide grid positions, so engines will be deliberately dialled back in the sprint races for everyone who isn't a contender for significant points.

Not sure that has been confirmed Alia, all that has been guaranteed is no reverse grid race.

I believe only principal of a Saturday sprint race at selected tracks was voted on and they are still talking on the method and implementation, i.e. grid and possible points for sprint race.

I'm under the impression normal Quali although moved to Fri will still set Sunday GP grid order as usual, but I could be wrong.

 
Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline John S

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2021, 03:39:28 PM »
How about go-kart races. More passing and no
harm to the cars or engines

You can enjoy Karting instead of F1 action if you like Dare, I'm damned if I'll pay SKY TV big money to watch hornets swarm instead of proper F1 cars on track on a Saturday.   :stop: :crazy:

It'd be ok to add a drivers Kart race to make up for lost practice time but not instead of Quali.   :nono:
Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline Dare

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2021, 03:59:49 PM »
How about go-kart races. More passing and no
harm to the cars or engines

You can enjoy Karting instead of F1 action if you like Dare, I'm damned if I'll pay SKY TV big money to watch hornets swarm instead of proper F1 cars on track on a Saturday.   :stop: :crazy:

It'd be ok to add a drivers Kart race to make up for lost practice time but not instead of Quali.   :nono:


A little American sarcasm John...I don't like
carting either.
"The
democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are
willing to work and give to those who would not."
--
Thomas
Jefferson

Offline John S

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2021, 06:03:59 PM »
How about go-kart races. More passing and no
harm to the cars or engines

You can enjoy Karting instead of F1 action if you like Dare, I'm damned if I'll pay SKY TV big money to watch hornets swarm instead of proper F1 cars on track on a Saturday.   :stop: :crazy:

It'd be ok to add a drivers Kart race to make up for lost practice time but not instead of Quali.   :nono:


A little American sarcasm John...I don't like
carting either.

Well you got me there Dare.  :-[

Mind you Karting is good when you see it live at a track, them crates can really speed round the dinky tracks they use.

Good thing is you can mostly see the whole circuit so you get to see action from start to finish. A lot more dive bombing at corners than is acceptable in any other open wheel racing - except maybe for lawnmowers - but that's another story.  ;)
Racing is life - everything else is just waiting. (Steve McQueen)

Offline monty

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2021, 10:14:28 AM »
I started in Karting & my kids grew up Karting. I used to really struggle to find the budget - worrying to think that if you added up the purchase costs of the whole field of a Rotax Max race it wouldnt cost as much as an F1 steering wheel!!

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Say it's isn't true
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2021, 04:05:38 PM »
On the contrary - the sprint races decide grid positions, so engines will be deliberately dialled back in the sprint races for everyone who isn't a contender for significant points.

Not sure that has been confirmed Alia, all that has been guaranteed is no reverse grid race.

I believe only principal of a Saturday sprint race at selected tracks was voted on and they are still talking on the method and implementation, i.e. grid and possible points for sprint race.

I'm under the impression normal Quali although moved to Fri will still set Sunday GP grid order as usual, but I could be wrong.

I'm going by F1.com's piece about it, which says, "The sport’s key stakeholders met via video conference on Thursday to discuss a range of topics, including tweaking the weekend format, with the subject of a shorter sprint race on Saturday to define Sunday’s grid discussed." It's qualifting part 2.

As for karting... ...rather hard to watch that, as most of the tracks near me have been shut since last March (and one since the October before last, presumably not to COVID). Two were open for a couple of months last autumn, but it's likely televised motorsport will be back before karting in-person is.
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