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Author Topic: Turn 4 'Incident'  (Read 746 times)

Offline lkjohnson1950

Turn 4 'Incident'
« on: November 19, 2021, 12:28:10 AM »
Controversy is still building over Max's efforts to keep Lewis behind him last week.
Max says it's just hard racing and Lewis would have done the same.
     https://www.racefans.net/2021/11/18/hamilton-move-was-hard-racing-were-not-in-kindergarten-verstappen/
Russell says Max's move was deliberate and deserved a penalty.
     https://www.racefans.net/2021/11/18/verstappen-should-have-had-penalty-for-hamilton-incident-russell/
Le Clerc says he and other drivers will change the way they race if there is no penalty fot Max.
     https://www.crash.net/f1/news/993296/1/leclerc-will-adapt-driving-if-verstappen-f1-move-goes-unpunished
Wolff says 'no more Mr. Nice Guy', FIA Obviously favors Red Bull.
     https://www.crash.net/f1/news/993236/1/wolff-declares-diplomacy-has-ended-after-f1-decisions-against-mercedes
Masi says 'No favoritism'
     https://www.crash.net/f1/news/993254/1/masi-fia-not-giving-red-bull-preferential-treatment-f1-wing-saga
Sainz says (indirectly) Max gets away with stuff others are penalized for doing.
     https://www.racefans.net/2021/11/18/verstappen-case-shows-need-for-clarity-on-drivers-forcing-rivals-wide-sainz/
Lewis says I'm concentrating on Losail
     https://www.crash.net/f1/news/993294/1/hamilton-not-giving-any-energy-verstappen-f1-incident-ahead-qatar

Personally, I think Max has always been a very aggressive and sometimes dirty driver. I think the FIA did not penalize him because he was involved in the kind of close exciting battle they are desperate to have on TV. If Tsunoda had done that to Stroll (or vice versa) battling for 10th, there would have been a penalty. I truly believe if they don't rein in Max there will be a big serious accident in the future. And as Carlos said if Max gets away with forcing other drivers off the track, the other drivers will do it too.


     


Lonny

Offline rmassart

Re: Turn 4 'Incident'
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2021, 01:06:46 PM »
Of course the review request was rejected. This is going to be an interesting final three races!

Offline Jericoke

Re: Turn 4 'Incident'
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2021, 01:56:13 PM »
It isn't even a question of whether Hamilton and Max 'will collide'.  They have.  Twice.  In my opinion, it was Max both times (though I am biased), but both drivers are driving hard.

Max is on record saying he drives aggressive so that other drivers will think twice about passing him.  Hamilton was clearly on edge making that pass, and was ready for Max's BS.  Max would have happily crashed if Hamilton didn't use his god tier driving abilities to predict and avoid the crash.

That Max continues to get away with such nonsense is going to escalate things.  Yes, a Modern F1 car is phenomenally safe, as Max himself demonstrated at Silverstone.  It doesn't mean the FIA should be encouraging crashes.  Yes, fans want to see action.  But we want to see CLEAN action.  Without Max running off track, we would have had three corners of side by side racing as Lewis and Max fought for the lead (remember Hamilton's first try on Perez?  A second helping of that would have been fantastic).  Instead, we were robbed of a legendary battle, and given this ridiculous debate.  Whatever Max's intentions were (as if we're supposed to believe the championship leader can't control his car), he went off track and retained position, that's a penalty.

Offline Andy B

Re: Turn 4 'Incident'
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2021, 08:07:58 PM »
Max's arrogance is starting to shine through and if by chance he wins the WC this year it will only make him worse the inconsistency of the FIA and Stewards is not helping.
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Turn 4 'Incident'
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2021, 04:08:59 AM »
Max's arrogance is starting to shine through and if by chance he wins the WC this year it will only make him worse the inconsistency of the FIA and Stewards is not helping.

It may be petty, but I enjoyed Max actually being booed by a crowd for once in Sao Paulo   :P


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Re: Turn 4 'Incident'
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2021, 12:54:58 PM »
Sure has brought the championship to life though ain't it Jeri,  ;) with so many news outlets talking about F1, putting greater focus on last few races. Not had such an exciting run in for years.  :yahoo:

Sorry Lonny, for me it was a racing incident. Both drivers were keeping their boot in and I think it looked far worse than it was. Had Lewis read Max's intentions right he would have braked a bit earlier and dived inside when Max was off track, as it was Lewis got from Max what he has dished out so often to drivers caught on his outside. I reckon for a 6 (oops sorry)7 times champ not to read what could happen shows either Lewis has become over confidant or is out of practice in a real dogfight.   

I'm all for refereeing decisions once made standing. I don't watch much footy/soccer but all the new video reviews & overrule decisions about penalties seems to be taking something away from their fast free flowing game.  :(

I'd hate F1 WDC being decided post final race in the backrooms with protests & reviews.  :nono:

« Last Edit: November 21, 2021, 12:03:09 PM by John S »
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Turn 4 'Incident'
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2021, 09:58:04 PM »
Well, I can object to Max apparently deliberately forcing Lewis off, and I do know in the past Lewis has done something similar, (though Lewis usually runs them wide on exit, not under braking), but what I and several of Max's competitors are questioning is why Max was not penalized for leaving the track to maintain his position. This is supposedly strictly against the rules and usually results in the driver being told to give up the spot. The larger issue is that like so many instances in the past, there is the appearance of inconsistency in enforcing the rules. I know F1 uses the steward positions as a reward for their local clubs, but shouldn't a professional sport have professional officials?
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Re: Turn 4 'Incident'
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2021, 12:11:00 PM »
I know F1 uses the steward positions as a reward for their local clubs, but shouldn't a professional sport have professional officials?

I bet most of those guys know more of the myriad of rules than even some of the paid FIA men.  ;)
 
They also have a lot of experience of other auto series racing and can take a more nuanced - or not -view depending on how you look at it.
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Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Turn 4 'Incident'
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2021, 12:54:14 PM »
Maybe, I don't know. But just the fact that it's a different group for every race almost guarantees there will be inconsistencies in rulings about similar incidents.
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