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Author Topic: Another thought  (Read 1807 times)

Offline Dare

Another thought
« on: September 28, 2025, 10:16:13 PM »
Another Dare dumb thought. Would you rather have 10 teams
 with 2 cars or 20 teams with 1 car. Would do away with
team orders. With the billionaires in the World now I doubt it
would be hard to find 20 teams


Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

"When a rich man robs a poor man, it is called business. When a poor man fights back, it's called violence."
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Another thought
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2025, 01:34:12 PM »
Another Dare dumb thought. Would you rather have 10 teams
 with 2 cars or 20 teams with 1 car. Would do away with
team orders. With the billionaires in the World now I doubt it
would be hard to find 20 teams

When F1 wast struggling to field enough cars, I thought that a 'tiered' system to F1 would make sense.  Historic teams with deep pockets would field three cars, with the top two scoring constructor points.  New teams, which historically are just happy to be there and still finding their footing, can field one car for their first 3 seasons.  The rest of the teams would field two cars.

I suppose you could modify this idea for the cost cap era.

How about a new team gets 2 years as a customer team, running a single car from a top team?  They get to learn the sport, and develop their own car on the side without having to enter the sport being 100% on top of everything day one (big barrier to entry that might keep some billionaires out of the sport just for fear of embarrassing themselves).  Any team that wins a race is required to run three cars next season, any team without a podium is knocked back to two cars next season.

Offline John S

Re: Another thought
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2025, 02:15:39 PM »
I'd stick with 11 teams of 2 cars for now, I am also looking forward to a 12th team coming onto grid, but I do think team orders should be banned again.

Yeah I know teams will still send coded messages to drivers in an effort to get them to do team bidding in race, however unless they want to have these actions leaked and made public, therefore FIA punishable, it'll be hard to get all drivers to obey instructions.  ;)
We all remember the infamous "Fernando is faster than you" episode.  :D
Wonder what they'll come up with if there is a next time.

IMHO 20 teams of single cars will just make more of a clown show than we get already from Liberty's constant strive to make F1 a show rather than a sport.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2025, 02:18:30 PM by John S »
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Another thought
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2025, 03:45:39 PM »
I'd stick with 11 teams of 2 cars for now, I am also looking forward to a 12th team coming onto grid, but I do think team orders should be banned again.

Certainly, the way the sport is working now, 12 two car teams should put on a great spectacle without having to 'shake things up'.  Especially now that they focus the broadcasts on the mid field battles instead of just watching the leader build up a gap.

I don't think that banning team orders makes the sport better.  I LIKE when the teams get the opportunity to run different strategies, and it makes sense for the freshly pitted driver on medium tires being let past their long running hard tired teammate so we can have more on track battles.

Obviously there are egregious uses of team orders, but there's also been needless red flags when teammates didn't understand their optimal strategy and took each other out.

Maybe there's a middle ground?  Explicit team orders allowed within X laps of a pitstop?

Or... intra team driver radio.  Let the drivers negotiate on the fly.

Offline Dare

Re: Another thought
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2025, 09:02:30 PM »
When I hear team orders I think of Michael and Rueben's, Fisi and Alonso.
Piquet and Alonso, and come to think of it any Michael teammate
Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

"When a rich man robs a poor man, it is called business. When a poor man fights back, it's called violence."
Mark Twain

Offline Andy B

Re: Another thought
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2025, 09:18:06 PM »
There used to be a rule on team orders?
For me I want 12 teams but remove a lot of the rules and give the teams more design scope as long as they stay within the budget.
I used to love the innovation and not knowing what would turn up on the grid at the next race.
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