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Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2008, 10:50:54 AM »
I think Felipe is closing the gap to Kimi and seems to get better season by season.

Sure Kimi has a special talent but sometimes a little less talent and a whole lot of listening, absorbing, trying out, learning, correcting and then re-doing gets drivers to WDCs.

I guess you call it learning from experience, yours and others. Massa fits this category where as Kimi fits the strained genius "I know what I'm doing class". If Kimi was more receptive and with his natural talent he would have more than one WDC.

IMO Kimi has to often driven his machinery past the limit, you don't get points that way and after all points make prizes. I can't recall a time when Kimi nursed a car home before France this year, perhaps he has, but we can all recall plenty of Schuie's sick cars crossing the line.
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Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2008, 06:47:36 PM »
driving past the limit can't cost you a race but if you don't have an accident then you are going to do very well and thats what raikkonen does when luck is on his side

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Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2008, 08:02:40 AM »
raikkonen's well known for pushing his car and he rarly makes mistakes

Offline Scott

Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2008, 09:10:07 AM »
Hey John, I think there was a big hiccup in your comment about Massa - He was driving pathetically yesterday.  Obviously he is a driver who can't cope without traction control.  Or he needs a rear wing the size of a barn door.
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Offline Steven Roy

Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2008, 06:37:19 PM »
I remember the slagging Prost got for making 7 pit stops to Senna's 4 at Donington in 93 but at least he kept it pointing in the right direction.  I couldn't keep up with Massa's spins as I could not figure out whether I was seeing the replay of the last one or if it was yet another.  I counted 5 for certain.  Given that his car was rubbish in quali I assumed he had a wet set up but apparently not.  The car didn't look great but he has to learn to minimise the damage.  2 or 3 spins would be forgiveable in that car in those conditions but 5 or more is pushing it.

Is Massa beating Raikkonen?

No way, no how, never.

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Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2008, 06:39:28 PM »
good one scottyD thats probaly right he does need a rear wing that big, as he is crap.

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Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2008, 06:42:15 PM »
what are you on about steven roy, of course raikkonen is beating massa what racing are you watching, obviously not the one the rest of us are

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2008, 08:11:57 PM »
For the record, Massa spun five times at the British Grand Prix. The only time he has matched this feat was at the British Grand Prix in 2002 - there must be something about the Northamptionshire track that does for his sense of direction.

Mind you, Raikkonen spun twice. Only Heidfeld, Alonso, Rosberg and Barrichello did not spin or leave the track in a major way all race.
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Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2008, 08:24:54 PM »
yeah but barrichello is expieranced

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2008, 08:33:30 PM »
My point is that the ones who didn't spin or go off-track were very much the exception to the rule. Also, one of the four (Rosberg) crashed into a Toyota and lost half his front wing, so his copybook was also blotted. At least his error had originality...
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Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2008, 08:34:39 PM »
yeah its like monaco where something like 6 front wings were broken so ts very original

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2008, 08:41:12 PM »
Still, half a wing? Isn't it usually the whole wing that falls off?
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Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2008, 08:42:50 PM »
last time i checked yeah but nothing's surprising in f1 these days

Offline johnbull

Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2008, 09:13:58 PM »
IS MASSA BEATING RAIKKONEN is the question here.

The answer is YES - 5 - 2.  Massa spun 5 times yesterday to Kimi's 2.

On a different tack, I felt sorry for poor Kubica. Massa kept throwing his car everywhere and still managed to keep it going, yet poor Robert went off once and got caught out.

I have to add that Lewis Hamilton certainly redeemed himself.

Is it the sort of boost he needed?

I'm surprised the FIA didn't find anything to disqualify him or penalise him with. They're slacking. Or is it simply that they were feeling sympathetic to the British crowd at home? ;)
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Re: Is Massa beating Raikkonen
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2008, 09:15:41 PM »
how can he be beating him if he spun more times :fool:

 


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