Prepare for the night of the long knives

[Chameleon]

Basically, I'm saying that the Nazi theme is not proven either way, regardless of the judge's ruling.  The lice examination was not addressed, for instance, and I would have thought that was one of the most telling pointers to the real nature of the event.

Interestingly, I see that, amidst the reports of Max's further suits against NOTW, there is mention of some deleted emails.  Now, if Max were running this show, I have no doubt that computer experts would be burrowing into his computer to retrieve those emails.

Funny how emails keep cropping up in these Max cases...

[Alianora La Canta]

I wonder if this will offer an opportunity for the hitherto-little-used e-mail surveillance laws to be used? The UK's RIPA and French law requires all email to be monitored and records kept. Since this incident happened less than two years ago and concerns a significant crime (certainly more significant than the school place application surveillance by Dorset Council!), then the court could force whichever ISP holds the FIA's e-mail accounts to release details to the court. From a professional point of view, I find the possibility interesting.

[John S]

So if it walks like a duck(maybe that should be goose ) and quacks like a duck it doesn't have to wear a swastika armband to be a Nazi.

Steady on mate Max may still be in a litigious mood. I wonder if the wiz has got 60k never mind the legal costs.

[johnbull]

I just assumed that Max won because Mr. Justice EADY was the other German with a mask and whip!
As I have said. I didn't care who won. Max and the NOTW are as bad as each other and the money comes from people that buy the NOTW which excludes me!
I still feel the guy has let down everyone in the sport (representing the sport to religious countries, etc.) and the sooner he slinks away to his depraved private existance the better.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

Interesting that he is taking BILD to court too, presumably in Germany. I wonder if the German judge too is not going to think the whole stinking episode has Nazi conotations.

I'm looking forward to that one.

I also have to agree with my friend Chammy. When I first watched the video my first impression was of a Nazi camp with jews. Looking at it again only strenghtens this opinion.

Was Judge Eade or whatever his name is, Max's friend?

[Steven Roy]

I think Max should have been judged by his own standard rather than those of civil law.  This was the man who wanted Lewis and Fernando disqualified from last year's championship because he suspected they were complicit.

I just realised having seen it back that the 'stop' smiley could have other connotations in this case. 

[John S]

You are right Steven, unfortunately a NOTW editor or journo could not resist over egging the pudding with the Nazi angle so Max gets some money and worse than that he now feels he has the higher moral ground. Nevermind that this higher ground is still well below swamp level.

[johnbull]

Max gets some money and worse than that he now feels he has the higher moral ground. Nevermind that this higher ground is still well below swamp level.

I've no doubt he thinks so, but does everybody else. Can he walk with his head held high in an F1 paddock, or anywhere for that matter, without people whispering "There's our pervert President".

And even worse, how does the FIA feel about having a pervert as a president, because private or no private there is no arguing that Max Mosley, president of the FIA was filmed having an orgy with hoares. Not the sort of behaviour one expects of a president of an International Federation, is it?

If he really respected the FIA and all it stands for, he would have resigned before the whole ugly saga had time to escalate to the hights it has now reached. And it would probably all have been forgotten by now, and we'd all be talking about shocking F1 cars and progress instead.

[Alianora La Canta]

I was listening to Any Questions? yesterday, and the conclusion from the audience seemed to be that everyone made a fool of themselves, Max was entrapped without the necessary justification of hypocrisy (though had they known more about Max's words and actions prior to this incident, I don't think they'd have concluded this) and the News of the World couldn't make a good case (for anything) if its existence depended on it.

[SennaMan]

I think Max should have been judged by his own standard rather than those of civil law.  This was the man who wanted Lewis and Fernando disqualified from last year's championship because he suspected they were complicit.

I just realised having seen it back that the 'stop' smiley could have other connotations in this case. 

you make a very salient point SR - max's hypocrisy is very clear.

Also the treatment meted out to McLAREN is simply an abuse of power especially as RENAULT's word was accepted and the team cleared when harder evidence of them using technical info from McLAREN was ignored.

Some people suggest McLAREN was fined as max knew they HAD to be in F1 whereas RENAULT as a car maker made no secret they would quit F1 if they were penalised.

You will know I always thought max would win his case simply because the NOTW broke the law(s) re publishing etc [as subsequently ruled by Mr Justice Eady].

What I am intrigued to know though is who put them up to it? Who wanted the King so dead to put up the money for the sting?

 

[John S]

What I am intrigued to know though is who put them up to it? Who wanted the King so dead to put up the money for the sting?

 

I am sure the whole F1 community including all of us would like to know that, but perhaps it's better not disclosed unless it happens to be Ferrari. Any other outcome could well destroy one or several teams if they are even remotely linked to it.

[Scott]

I think it was Bernie.

[Scott]

Madame E and her ex-MI5 husband have admitted it was them and them alone.  They recognized Max as a high enough profile character as to have his little fetish of interest to the press (rightly so), so they could earn some cash selling the story.

[SennaMan]

Madame E and her ex-MI5 husband have admitted it was them and them alone.  They recognized Max as a high enough profile character as to have his little fetish of interest to the press (rightly so), so they could earn some cash selling the story.

and NOTW only paid them half of the agreed 25,000 pounds which I read is their normal practice - what a sleazy outfit! - so I wonder if that was part of Madame E's backtracking from giving evidence in support of NOTW.

[Alianora La Canta]

If that was a money-making venture, it sure backfired. Husband lost highly-paid job and won't be able to take another high-security job for the foreseeable future and wife only got six months' (possibly less) worth of his wage and quite possibly will see a reduction in her business as well.